I can. There’s a reason people were making threads specifically complaining about him. I don’t generally agree with him, but he does on occasion make a good point
I think you’re about half right, it’s most certainly great to down a challenging boss, I won’t deny it, but frankly it’s the loot that takes you there, that’s the trade off, you survive/beat the boss encounter so you get this prize, just wailing on bosses to kill them and that be the reward would be akin to fighting a target dummy imo.
LMAO that ship sailed in WoD. The people left that hate pathfinder are to invested in their pixels to leave
Because gearing in LFR is so fast and easy. It’s far easier and faster to currently gear doing Warfronts
They actually used to do this when it was first introduced. It created two problems. One no on would join and raid ended breaking up. forcing players too join again. Second one was do to abuse. some players only wanted on boss. They kept cycling tell they got one they wanted. that one I never understood why it considered abuse.
I personally think this phone is dumb. auto correct.errr
So freaking true warfronts blow it out of the water if it wasn’t for weapons to a certain extend and for sure trinkets warfronts would be the place to be nonstop to bad warfronts are on timers.
Source? Would be interesting to read. Because that’s not what they’ve said in the past
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It’s exactly what they’ve said. Blizzard (and ex-Blizzards) have been very consistent on this. The problem is that most people in GD don’t READ what Blizzard says. They read what other people WISH Blizzard said, and take that as gospel.
I geared my DK from 325 to just over 340 in a weekend of off and on farming those things. Almost makes me wish they’d have included rings and trinkets
From Ion himself:
- LFR justifies the creation of more raid content when millions of players are able to see content. Only a few thousand people actually saw Kel’thuzad, but millions saw Deathwing. The reason Mists of Pandaria is starting with 18 bosses and adding larger raid tiers than we have had previously is because many players are going to see the raids through LFR.
I only use LFR/LFD to queue for single bosses for holiday events, so I have no dog in this fight, but the writing is on the wall, so to speak.
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But where’s your source other than trust me, Blizzard said this. Lots of people have said the same thing I have, you’re the only one saying no they never said that, guess I’m just supposed to blindly trust some internet rando
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I’ve seen that quote from Ion before. Note the use of “more”. LFR justifies MORE raid content, as in bigger raids, and more frequent raids. I said that earlier in this thread. He certainly said nothing even remotely approaching “without LFR, raids would require more resources than its worth”, which was the claim I was refuting.
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Change how looting works: you get no loot unless you kill all bosses.
Solves problem.
Go find their statements yourself, if you’re so curious. You’ll find that a lot of them are like the one that somebody just quoted. People make a claim, give a quote, and their quoted “source” turns out to say something totally different than what they were saying.
READ WHAT BLIZZARD SAYS. That’s all I’ve been saying, this entire thread. And Blizzard has never, EVER said the things most people claim.
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It’s up to you to prove your point, not me to prove it for you
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Why remove LFR? I got back into wow about a month ago. I’m now a 371 BM Hunter. I did LFR twice, and moved onto normal and did 8/8 then did Heroic and never went back? I agree with OP just to help people doing LFR the rest of this debate is pointless lol. Let people LFR if they want to and let them become real raiders if they want to, simple as that.
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My only point this entire thread has been that people should stick to the facts. If that needs proving, then you aren’t worth speaking with.
You’re not providing facts. You’re making a statement, refusing to provide any source and saying trust me
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I’m saying people need to stick to the facts. If you scroll up in the thread, you’ll see that I’m right on the money:
- People said Blizzard stated that without LFR, there would be no raiding.
- I said that’s incorrect, and that what Blizzard actually stated was that LFR is why raids have more bosses than before.
- Somebody posts a quote to “prove me wrong” in which Ion says “The reason Mists of Pandaria is starting with 18 bosses and adding larger raid tiers than we have had previously is because many players are going to see the raids through LFR.”
Which is exactly what I said.
Every statement I’ve made here, from the 2% Sunwell clear, to GC saying LFR was a mistake, to GC saying that raiding is the most cost-effective way they’ve discovered to retain raiders, is from statements Blizzard has made.
If you want to go dig up the quotes, you’ll find that I’m 100% spot-on, just as I was about the Ion quoted somebody posted to “prove me wrong”. Which actually proved that what I said was correct.
My only point here is that people need to state facts instead of making stuff up. Blizzard has never said “without LFR there would be no raiding” and nobody can find evidence that they ever did – because that evidence doesn’t exist.
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I see many posts like this and they always make me wonder, who ties these people’s shoes for them?
Get rid of a feature that allows pretty much anyone to experience content in an MMORPG? Stupidity at it’s most blatantly obvious. It will never happen, ever.
Semper Fi!
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