Changes Need to be Made to LFR

If we’re concerned about subscribers, I can guarantee you that Blizzard loses more people with their ongoing grudge-war against flying than they would ever lose by removing LFR.

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I have done heroic progression all kinds of normal raiding and have some mythic bosses to my credit and LFR is raiding. In fact, LFR is more raiding than a group of mythic raiders running through normal right now.

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You see the thing is people keep saying that but who really loses from LFR being deleted?

The people that usually use LFR have no interest in raiding outside of the story. Once that’s over it’s just another gear grind.

If they didnt care about raiding in the first place it shouldn’t be that bigger loss if it gets wiped out.

However I don’t think they should delete it but I think it needs a change from what it currently is

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Then you must not read well, because the reasons stated why LFR was made was spit out word for word by Blizzard themselves many times already in response to you anti-LFR leetist raiders.

Im not going to try and look it up, because thats not my job, but you seem to not believe it, go do some research, and then come back and try and make your argument. Because you would not have one, because the reason stated, why LFR exists is spot on, and from Blizzard themselves, and NOT the players!

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Everyone loses out if LFR is removed. Every single person remaining in this game. Removing LFR is like removing PvP or removing pet battles - it would result in sub lose and less money for any content.

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Pretty subject to opinion but they share completely different structures

One requires to you dedicate to the whole thing to get to the boss, one requires progress to get through it, one has dramatically higher chance of failure, one requires you to know who you are running with, one requires you have a time frame, one requires you to use consumables, one requires you to not rage and quit then join again, one requires you to do the designed mechanics

One doesn’t require you to do any of the above and the biggest difference is you have magic button you press to make it happen.

They’re completely different entities

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Oh, I’ve read every single one. I used to have them all bookmarked, in fact, so I could quote them every time we had this discussion.

But it never mattered. People would read it and then say that is said something else, even though it didn’t.

I know that Blizzard never said LFR justifies raiding.
The numbers show that LFR doesn’t justify raiding, because most people raid outside of LFR.
And Blizzard knows that LFR doesn’t justify raiding.

Whether or not you choose to believe it is irrelevant. You won’t believe it even if I dig up the quotes again.

I’ll throw out an open invitation to everyone! If this is so well-known, and has been said “word for word by Blizzard themselves many times already” then surely one of you can find it.

Blizzard added an indicator in MoP that let you know when an LFD/LFR was in progress per our request. Problem was the vast majority of people clicked “Cancel” and requeued. So Blizzard removed it.

When you complete an in-progress one, you’re automatically prioritized to a fresh one if you requeue.

Again, Blizzard’s constant war on flying loses them far more subscribers than anything else.

If we’re concerned for the well-being of the game, that’s the place to start.

(The horrible class design this expansion certainly doesn’t help, either.)

Another LFR bashing thread, well that’s new and refreshing. It’s fixed so much of the game already, in fact just taking part in this thread fills me with confidence that everything will just get better and better.

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Transmog, honestly.

I didn’t make this thread, nor am I calling for blizzard to remove LFR. Just like the flying issue - that would be a change that wouldn’t gain them subs just lose them.

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I wish I could see your profile. From what I can see, that mog looks awesome. You dont see a lot of black mogs. A lot of grey, and darker colors, but not black. I’m actually working on one now, though there aren’t any boots I like that go with it. The ones that match it from Ulduar, but I dont like that old style of boots (mostly).

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And your source for that is… Oh yeah, Blizzard stopped reporting subscriber numbers long before NoFlyNoSub.

Not to mention we won, flying was restored. We just had to accept the Pathfinder compromise which the vast majority of us did.

I seriously can’t be bothered responding to all that except point out there is little to no difference in most of those things between pugs groups and LFR and last time I look no one claimed ‘raiding’ in pugs groups via group finder isn’t raiding nor should be removed.

In fact, anyone who does either of those things, post LFR should be removed or LFR isn’t raiding, is 99% of the time just straight trolling. And no it isn’t expressing an opinion - it is making statements intended to annoy and upset people.

So if you will excuse me, I am going to find better things to do other than feed the trolls.

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the funny thing about this is I just said to someone on the forums 10 minutes ago you can say something about something about LFR that is your opinion of it and someone will call you a troll because they don’t agree with you

This thread isn’t about removing LFR or debating whether it is raiding though - you guys made off topic remarks intended to annoy and bait people.

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My suggestion is when the queue pops for you to accept, if boss(es) are already killed, Blizzard should list it in the popup window, so that the player knows what is already done.

AND, there should be a bonus for accepting/joining it, if boss(es) are already killed. Reward should scale based on progression. For example, 1/3 bosses downed should be 1x reward. If 2/3 bosses are down, make it 2x reward (So a reverse sliding scale).

I think in principle this would work… as long as the reward makes it worth it. For example, the extra loot bag reward you get as a tank or healer sometimes (to help the lack of those roles queueing) is pretty paltry. I don’t know anybody who chooses those roles for them. They are just a “ehh… better than nothing” when they were already going to select those roles anyways.

So a more substantial reward, like an extra bonus roll or something, would need to be offered.

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This is a topic where people have explained why the system is like it

All I did was respond to something someone else had said

The only thing I’m guilty of is partaking in a conversation

So your putting your eggs in a rotten basket of over more then a decade old content? goodluck with that.