Certainly the 20% nerf is a joke Right?

Not true. Mage is not ‘OP’. It is not OP most of the time either. Tell me which spec for mage do you think is OP now? You are right that frost does good without cds, but arcane doesn’t do as well. DK was meta for over a straight year now anyways, it is time to pass the torch.

It’s really telling how none Dks open up the DK forums and start to gloat over DK nerfs. Death Knights truly are the most hated class. Imagine what could be created if people actually spent their energy trying to improve their own classes instead of treating DK as some sort of scapegoat for why their wow experience is suboptimal.

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Are you talking about PvP? Because in terms of PvE you couldnt be more wrong. Frost was literally at the bottom only beating out a support spec in season 1. Unholy was mid in season 2, and in season 3 was top 5.

For what? Balancing a game? Trying to use government agencies to get your way or to punish someone you dont like is just stupid.

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from S to D-ogwater, they couldn’t do 10 and let us be happy, screw our 100hrs of investment in the toon already

frost was already low B or high C…yay? you know people take the top half of specs or lower to keys and therefor raid because they got geared from keys right. you are saying “it was put in line with a spec noone will take or respect”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft36ujIKHew

The 20% nerf was justifiable.

you linked a vid of someone mostly refering to raid friend im refering to keys mostly we suffer bad in 2-3 cleave then most specs and we have weird cd timers compaired to 1 and 2 min classes. our high damage output was what made us meta for keys after a 20% global nerf we are high c low b skol has also admitted that btw. still good for raid mid A but for mythic plus its below the median

if they fix our bugs we could be back in A for both so im hopeing thats the case

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I don’t know who this guy is but the actual theorycrafter he’s referencing said UH is best-case at B tier now which is not good without a raid buff, especially in M+.

He also glosses over the fact that the other high performers barely got a slap on the wrist and still have a way better damage profile than UH, for raid and M+. Not to mention that many other specs received significant buffs.

Unfortunately that’s not true, because not all the bugs are reducing DPS. If they fix all the bugs, the net result will be neutral.

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mmmmmmm last i check the bug count had us -7percent in ST and a bit more in Aoe unless you know more bugs then ive read about

tbf thats speculative tho because it cant be really tested lol

ive noticed a problem alot of these the class will be ok guys and 20% was deserved guys dont get how right before a season starts most people level 1-3 toons and alot of us like to play around the meta because we are competitive changes last second like this feel like trash and its why you see so much salt around them. anything over a 10% nerf should of been done in ptr before launch so people could play the game how they wanted. Ill still play dk but it might not be my main anymore

Epidemic +15% and Virulent Plague +10%. Unholy is still going to be good in keys. The tuning will mostly effect PvP.

Fixing the “Bugs” will not increase our DPS because blizzard does not care about simulated hypothetical DPS, they only care about actual DPS. We’ve all seen it before “We fixed a bug that caused X to deal 10% less damage, and then nerfed X by 10% to compensate” When blizzard fixes bugs they do their best to have it not affect class balance.

It’s such a simulation brained concept to assume that blizzard has some back end sims that they balance everyone on and if something behaves differently than their sim then blizzard will balance the class wrong until the fix comes through. Blizzard doesn’t need to sim DPS, they have access to the source code and internal test servers, they can just run the DPS rotation in the actual game, bugs and all.

Give us an example of the last time this happened. I guarantee you this isn’t often lmao

I am still waiting for your response on this or are you full doomer?

I said something happens, you said it doesn’t happen often, that doesn’t contradict my statement so there isn’t any need to reply.

If you wanted to prove that blizzard balances classes based upon some perfectly calculated dps formula that got distrupted by the Magnus of the Dead not casting back to back, and that blizzard balances around these hypothetical numbers instead of looking at their actual dps numbers be my guest.

Though if that was the case we wouldn’t see constant balance changes reacting to the state of the game, so good luck proving that.

So you are making things up? Good to know.

This is what happens when you let your feelings get in the way of logic and reasoning.

Like I thought, you have nothing.

You are a coward