So basically a macro to heal allies and damage enemies with the same button?
Clique creates a mouseover macro. The action bar is keybound separately.
When you click on a frame, it casts the mouseover macro. When you click anywhere on the screen that is NOT over a frame, it casts the actionbar ability.
That’s the key distinction that I need, and it’s the reason the onboard Click Casting feature does not work for me.
RDruid has 53 active abilities. I have 36 of them keybound to action bars and 11 of them bound via mouseover macro through clique.
I have several “number” keys that double up for mouseover and action bar binds.
1 = Cenarion Ward/Flourish
8 = Ironbark/Barkskin
Etcetera
I don’t understand why they would make these addons non-functional when they are literally just telling you what the Blizzard raid frames do but just organized in a manner that is better. Who is making these awful decisions?? I’ve been playing this game since November 2004 and healing since early 2005. The blizz frames have always been garbage and I see zero indication they are working to improve them yet want to wreck the experience for so many healers.
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I see. So they like the multi functionality of it. I can see this. In the same post you quoted, I did go on to agree the blizz frames are unacceptably bad for healers. They did a good job making them look nicer but they’re still in the stone age as far as functionality goes.
I use elvui frames too, they’re my favorite. I really hope blizz is able to emulate this level of tracking customization in the near future.
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If you do:
/cast [@mouseover, exists] Healing Wave; Lava Burst
this should cast healing wave on your mouseover even if you are targeting an enemy. If you don’t have a mouseover then it will cast lava burst on the enemy you have targeted.
There are many variations of macros you can do to bake two abilities into one button
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This can probably be done with a mouseover macro using the /help and /harm functionality, but I’ll be real honest and say I’ve never tried to write one like this before, at least not with two different spells. Maybe I’ll play around with it in game later and paste it here if I can get it to work.
I assume clique will still work, but if it doesn’t they just need to update their mouse click casting system to also work on keyboard keys since currently the base UI only lets you mouseover cast with mouseover macros on action bars for keyboard keys or use their click casting system for mouse keys.
The reason their built in system isn’t good is because the mouse click casting system works only over frames, which is often what you want, but mouseover macros work on frames or player models, which sometimes is what you want and sometimes not, but you currently have no way to do frame-only mouseover casting with keyboard keys without an addon.
If they kill Vuhdo without fixing+ expanding on the in game healing UI Ima have to get on your to give me some tips for this. While I dont want to have to learn clique ( hated it before ) you sound like you know it well. Do you have, or can you recommend, a clique guide I can bookmark for down the road? 
( personally I think these addons will still exist to some degree just with limitations to what they show/dont show. With click casting added to the game in TWW vuhdo could just end up just swapping over to a UI addon, and as long as it aligns with the new philosophy I think it will be fine )
When I used to heal on my voker, I used macros such as:
#showtooltooltip Echo
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Echo; [@mouseover,harm,nodead]Living Flame
They do work, but is a hassle to setup for EACH class you play…
EDIT:
Now there are issues with these types of macros too… specifically the harm,help portion… Living Flame can be used to heal an ally or damage an enemy
So mouse over macros need to be tweaked alot. I could post some actual examples once I get home if people wish to see working examples. On break at work right now, so that is probably not my exact macro I use above.
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While we’re on the topic of macros, for the love of all things holy, they need to be OVERHAULED. Macro creation needs to be more user friendly. Nobody should have to ask “is this possible?” and “how do I write it?” Blizz needs to provide user friendly macro creation already. It’s 2025 and the macro ui is still stuck in vanilla. Simple conditional settings like if X then Y is not too much to ask.
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Mouseover macros are a poor solution because they work over player models as well as frames. Someone using a raid frame or clique + grid is used to having mouseover healing only work over frames (unless they set a global binding) and then can re-use the key on the actionbar as well (or also bind it to do something else in clique when not over a frame).
IE: I can cast starsurge on my druid on Q if my cursor is not over a frame or lifebloom if it’s over a frame. If I do this in a mouseover macro and someone happens to walk under my cursor, I will cast lifebloom on them. This is not what most healers want to happen. I only want to mouseover friendly cast if my cursor is over a frame, not a model.
The in-game UI only allows this functionality on mouse keys currently via the newish click casting system. Clique lets you do it with any key.
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Have healed a long time. I don’t use any of these add-ons. I have a few heal harm macros that work great. We can do this with less than what we have now.
Almost like thats the entire point, addons outside of some fights on Mythic were never mandatory. Bad players that were bad and wanted to blame something else on that would push that and here we are.
Now everyone is forced to play your way because stupid people couldn’t handle the fact you could change your UI if you wanted to.
I’ve never used one, but i promise you that if you open it and find it frustrating, you can call me on Discord, and I will talk you through it. Easy day.
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I used to use Healbot but now I just use a combination of click casting and mouseover casting.
Much appreciated! Ill remember your name for if the worst case scenario happens and possibly take you up on that if I have to relearn a whole new healing set up/interface/bindings
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Here’s the thing, though. They don’t need to be. This functionality has been in the game since at least TBC (when I started healing). Removing it now, 20 freaking years later, is asinine. So I seriously hope click-casting addons aren’t getting nuked alongside everything else that’s actually useful.
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Addons arent the problem. Only the people who complain about them, like you.
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They are a pretty significant problem. The way they influence spec and encounter design has been a problem for over a decade.
I agree, I don’t want them to be removed either. I don’t use them, but others do and that should be OK.