Casuals get m+ and normal raid ilvl epic gear from reputations, are you satisfied now?

Straight up P hitting their :baseball:s energy.

If you earn an achievement in this game - a title, gear, whatever - it’s yours and it’s awesome because you earned it. Your ilvl isn’t diminished by a casual having a similar ilvl. With transmog people can’t even see your gear anymore, these aren’t the “Idling in Org in your T2” days anymore.

I can’t even fathom feeling threatened by other pixels. And this is coming from a raider.

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You know who else gets M+ and Normal raid ilvl epic gear from reputations? People who run M+ and Normal Raids. It’s not like anyone is excluded from getting that gear if you want it to supplement the gear you already get from other activities.

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During beta and PTR, when it’s not even finished. And then is from player uploaded data.

Read guides, not some database.

Amazing eh? Honestly I want these tools to get their way, I really do. When people bail en masse it’ll be like what happened to wildstar.

You don’t see games propped up like this on their “Hardcore” gamers for very long. It’d be a lesson worth learning for them, and for blizzard.

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So you’re suggesting that nobody has scanned the vendor for the 389 gear that they sell and uploaded it to Wowhead yet in production?

Same here, raiders and mythic+ players will have their gear before I’ll have normal raid level gear.

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Yeah, because I would consider something that takes some measure of brainpower at higher level keys and demands more of a player in a shorter span of time to still require more effort than brainlessly killing 8 fish with no HP in the water over a period of months. In one run that player is probably spending more time doing the dungeon just from a minutes standpoint than you’ll spend knocking out a week’s worth of world quests unless you’re horridly inefficient about it (bad). This isn’t even counting the fact doing so in the last 2 weeks especially you have absurdly punishing keys that are demanding peak performance due to affixes such as RLP on anything above a 13’s first boss during Tyrannical. Healing NEEDED to be on point and very high, DPS NEEDED to be on point and very high to break the shield fast enough, as well as kill the boss before your healer ran out of cooldowns and resources to keep the party alive due to tornadoes taking 30% of your HP every half second.

You’re confusing duration with difficulty.

Do you really need a reason? It’s probably so the quests are easier to complete.

How many people do you know who upload to them? And how many of them have those pieces?

This isn’t rocket science. Those databases have never been right. Neither are drop rates until much later into an expansion. Need more data.

Stop looking at a database that are clearly WRONG and start reading the actual guides, which are clearly RIGHT.

Done and done. C’mon now, this is a stupid argument. Just take the advice, say thanks and move on. I’m not bickering over this silliness anymore.

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Yeah, sorry but this isn’t a valid response. This is about as ludicrous as arguing you need a fully automatic rifle (not semi-automatic) to hunt a deer.

Needless to say it does, and that simply not understanding how population mechanics and availability of gear from additional sources affects a MMO does not reduce or remove that affect.

Denying that a multifaceted game doesn’t have interlacing interactions is just ignorance.

Also the negatives are not only from an “elitist” perspective either, probably one of the most affected is casual players that face harsher grouping requirements due to the increased availability of easily acquired (and thus expected) gear.

The scary part being the fact that those people do exist :sweat_smile:

I don’t think it’s fair to assume “casuals” aren’t competent or skilled enough to play mythic+ or raid content. For myself my play time is so erratic I don’t find it feasible to do organized content. There’s plenty of times I’ve had to abruptly leave a heroic (I know, I know). Besides that it’s a game and we all know where there gear comes from anyway. Why does it matter how other people play.

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The super rares can give higher ilevel stuff and tbh it’s perfectly fine to have stuff that high dropping off rares / world content.

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Also, I’m not upset. Though I can see how with I worded things it comes off as inflammatory.

I do genuinely want to know if casuals are okay with the rewards you can get from outer world content.

Bingo. I used to do both up until BFA. But between guild drama and life changes I just don’t find the RNG very fun or rewarding for the amount of effort going in.

And that hasn’t changed, moreso now that we’ve gone back to group loot which makes PUGs a nightmare.

At the same time however, getting gear on par with normal through other means doesn’t screw the curve that much, and with there being no bad luck protection anyway (Until the catalyst opens) it would be a decent gearing path.

I really fail to see how people getting gear isn’t a net positive for higher end content if more people can actually gear up to DO it.

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Nobody argues needing a fully automatic rifle for hunting, you have such a ridiculous level of firepower that you’ll basically leave what you’re trying to hunt unable to be used meaningfully and just be wasting bullets. Even in this hypothetical scenario, most people who hunt are going to go with a semi-automatic because one clean shot is all it takes and that is preferable so you can actually harvest the meat and do something with the hide instead of it looking like swiss cheese. Or if we talk smaller prey such as a rabbit, there will be nothing left. This is also why people tend to not hunt with shotguns unless it’s their only firearm they can use because better than nothing, unless it’s their last resort against something like a bear, it will never be their primary means of attack.

At most people argue they want access to them because in all fairness it is a right as considered in the United States and historically this particular amendment very early on in court was used to justify ownership of a literal cannon.

You join raid groups for storms, farm Elemental overflow. Buy gear for 359 with Elemental Flow. Then, farm storm sigils as you can use storm sigils to upgrade 359 gear to 385. It’s pretty easy!

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A lot of the silent majority likely is, thing is here on the forums, we are not dealing with the silent majority for the most part.

no one’s ever satisfied.

Maybe not for deer, but it would come in handy when i go hunting a T-Rex!

I owned a fully auto AR-15 in Texas, and it was the most fun i had at the range in my entire life!

Just saying.

Still have a AR-15, and its the pistol, and i can carry anywhere i want within limits with my permit(s), i have one for each state that requires one.

You would be right!

Hi/wave!