Casual level range

[Terrible-benediction]

My commute changes pretty frequently, I work in construction so I go where my bosses tell me to go. Sometimes it’s a 15-20 minute drive, other times it’s an hour each way.

I’m office-side survey, but construction staking is a big chunk of our work. If you blame the surveyor every time you build something wrong we can’t be friends.

I’m in the steel stud framing side of things, the only people I don’t like are plumbers and electricians.

[Ohshiftson-stalagg]

I can’t help but feel you’re out of touch.

Whatever makes you feel better, I guess.

I have a friend who plays an average of one hour a day. They level professions (including secondaries like fishing, first aid, etc). They don’t follow a guide. They have no idea how to play (as I am frustratingly reminded every time I watch them play and pull my hair out seeing what they do).

They started 2 weeks after Classic launched. They’re 51 now.

Granted, they’re playing Warlock, so their leveling experience is easier/faster than that of a Warrior, but they are the epitome of casual and are well on track to get 60 in less than 10 days played.

That was me making fun of your arrogance.

Except that was arrogance you were projecting onto me. I never made any comment about you or myself, either of our skill, whether we were casual or hardcore, or anything like that.

You’re playing one of the easiest leveling classes

Okay? What I said had absolutely nothing to do with class, prior to this post.

There were dozens, if not hundreds, of Warriors at level 60 before me.

You’re… telling people they’re bad because they’re not 60.

No, I’m actually not. Please quote where I said someone is bad because they’re not 60.

I bet you can’t, because that didn’t happen.

Stop lying.

A LOT of the early 60s(ie: within the first month) leveled through instance spam until Blizz nerfed the Xp you gained from instances

You’re a bit misinformed.

The XP gained from instances was not nerfed; a bug that was giving more experience when in a raid than intended was fixed.

Even after that point, dungeons were still very fast experience, second only to Mages AoE grinding.

add to that all the people that exploited layers to level.

Exploited? I don’t think you know what an exploit is. Layer swapping is an intended mechanic.

The only exploit related to layering was the dungeon thing, and everyone who did that got suspended already, and had absolutely nothing to do with leveling.

we’re not hardcore because we didn’t abuse game mechanics.

Nice strawman.

An hour a night every day after work is not nearly as effective as a 5 hour sit down.

Aside from the 20 seconds to log out and however long it takes to start the game up, there is functionally no difference between five 1 hour sessions and 5 consecutive hours.

60’s is the casual player that only played one char.

This is a good point.

He ignored time to commute back and forth to work

I did leave 21 hours leftover, but you’re right, I did not account for that, because everyone’s commute is different.

Some people also work at home. Others can play while at work.

his time for bathing/tooth brushing seems really low. That’s like 17 minutes a day, that’s enough time to brush your teeth or wash your balls but not both.

15 minutes to shower, 2 minutes to brush your teeth.

Maybe I’m not used to being absolutely filthy, but it doesn’t take me more than that to clean myself. Maybe I’m just hardcore at showering, or something.

I thought about commenting further because my nightly ritual is a solid 30 minutes once you factor in showering, brushing, flossing, phone time on the porcelain throne, etc. Also I share a bathroom with the girlfriend so that adds to it.

I didn’t account for showering and brushing twice a day. You can double the time spent to 4 hours a week if you want.

I don’t use my phone much in general aside from calls.

Also I share a bathroom with the girlfriend so that adds to it.

I mean, I love joking about how long women take in the bathroom as much as any other guy, but it’s not actually that much extra time.

If she’s your girlfriend, you can shower with her, after all. I could understand not wanting to use the toilet with your partner in the bathroom, but brushing your teeth and showering aren’t a problem, are they?

Maybe I’m more relaxed about that kind of thing than others are.

No grocery time? What about lunch/dinner prep? General shopping needs? Are we just lumping that into leisure time?

Preparing for lunch and dinner shouldn’t really take that long, to be honest. I included it in the time spent for each meal.

Then again, I don’t cook full course meals. I generally just cook food for myself. If I want a bowl of spaghetti, for example, I can boil a pot of water, make the sauce from scratch, mix the ingredients together, eat, and clean the bowl in 30 minutes.

As I said already, it’s fun to break down the hours and look at it from a numbers perspective, but in real life the way it all plays out is entirely different.

Well, no… it’s just that everyone’s hourly breakdown differs.

Regardless, the amount of hours spent playing WoW to be 60 by now is nowhere near enough to be cutting into time spent doing other things.

Who is making content demands for changes to suit their playstyle? Only elite players.

Uh, no?

The skill of the players is totally unrelated to their desire for changes.

my current commute is anywhere from 2h 15m to 3h depending on traffic(it’s always about 45 minutes in the morning and anywhere from an 1h 15m to 2h after work because people forget how to drive).

If it makes you feel better I live 3 miles from my work which is about 10 minutes.

My commute changes pretty frequently, I work in construction so I go where my bosses tell me to go. Sometimes it’s a 15-20 minute drive, other times it’s an hour each way

Exactly why I didn’t account for commute time. Just take the hours left over and subtract what you need.

[Talula-blaumeux-731409]

I’m only level 36. But I spent three weeks trying to play alliance for a different experience, but that didn’t work, it just felt off to me.

That being said, I don’t expect other players or Blizz to wait for me to hit 60 because I don’t have that much time to play. I went into this knowing I would probably fall behind and probably not be able to raid much, if at all. I’m good with that.

[Wilhelmina-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I’m level 41 now. I stopped levelling at 40 to farm up the money for my mount. Now that I’ve got it I’ve resumed levelling, but it’s definitely a slower process than even before. I’m still happy for the existence of WoW Classic, but I think my personal interest is starting to fade. Gonna try and get into a guild to see if that helps.

[Arinowene-bloodsail-buccaneers]

1-60. Depending on how many characters they’ve been playing, and how much or how little they’ve been focusing on one character.

[Fuisce-benediction]

It’s not just 4 hours a day for two months straight, it’s 4 hours a day on average . You can do several days in a row with fewer or no hours played, e.g. during the week, and other days with many more hours plays, e.g. on the weekend.

You missed the second part of my statement where I said I don’t think people who play casually play every. I get that ‘casual’ is subjective and also describes a play style that is opposite ‘hardcore’ but what I’m talking about at people who view world of Warcraft as their casual hobby. If I play racquetball casually, I’m not at the courts 7 days a week. And I’m rarely, if ever, spending 10+ hours on a Saturday playing. If I play a musical instrument casually, I’m not practicing with my band every day. I consider myself a casual fisherman, and that means 10-15 times a year.

I’m guessing the overwhelming majority of wow players are not playing more than a few times a week. And they aren’t logging 10 hours at a time.

[Testoraeu-aggramar (Testoraeu)]

My Druid is 17, Mage 5. Not playing that much, as another game is more interesting for me right now. So my spare time goes into that.

I was quite hyped for Vanilla, but the exploits killed my mood and layering just made playing a terrible mess. When I reaized they broke their promiss of only at starting area´s, it was GG.

That being said, a Casual can be 60 by now, casual only means that you can´t play in fixed raid groups, as you play unpredictable and can´t follow shedules. Too many people mistake casual for low online time, while it´s just that you play when you have time and not when a shedule demands you to do so.

[Grandville-grobbulus]

I play 10-12 hours a week
I have a 24 pally
A 21 pally an 18 hunter a 22 mage a 12 rogue and a 14 lock Mostly with capped crafting
I’d prolly be 52-60 by now if I wasn’t an altaholic

[Klemp-kirtonos]

Casual means you do what you want and you don’t suffer dweebs.

[Ohshiftson-stalagg]

You missed the second part of my statement where I said I don’t think people who play casually play every.

No… I didn’t.

You quoted me stating otherwise.

You can do several days in a row with fewer or no hours played

And I’m rarely, if ever, spending 10+ hours on a Saturday playing.

Okay? So if someone does spend 10+ hours on a Saturday playing racquetball, they’re a hardcore racquetball player?

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. I stated that I don’t even consider time spent to be a factor in determining if someone is casual.

Casual vs. hardcore is a measurement of how seriously the time spent is taken.

You can play causally 20 hours a day, and play hardcore for 2 hours a week.

There’s obviously some correlation between how seriously you take the game and how long you play it each day, but it’s not 1:1.

I’m guessing the overwhelming majority of wow players are not playing more than a few times a week. And they aren’t logging 10 hours at a time.

I agree.

I would say most players are casual.
I would say most players log much fewer than 4 hours a day on average.
I would also say the two things are not the same.

Casual means you do what you want and you don’t suffer dweebs

Sort of.

You can do what you want and still be hardcore. Some people want to do what is most efficient. Sometimes being efficient is the goal, and there’s no particular part of the game they’re especially interested in that they’d rather being doing.

[Saleem-kromcrush]

Yup, the advice you give is true. Only thing is when people say “ ok I’ll level regularly and enjoy the game “ and they see content and phases starting to roll out, then their inclination to get to 60 grows even stronger. I saw that with the early release of Dire Maul. Deep down with us humans , there will always be FOMO!

[Zenji-sulfuras]

A casual hobby in my mind is something I do 5-10 hours a week.

At that pace you are looking at 6 months to 60, that is well below “casual”.

[Kinvarra-earthen-ring]

Probably like 40s/50s

I’m very casual and got to 35ish within the first couple of weeks and then got sucked into the tail end of an ffxiv event so I’ve definitely fallen behind since then

[Puntik-silver-hand]

You don’t have to rush. It’s been two months. You can easily have hit 60 by now just playing casually.

It’s kind of hard to say where a casual player would be since there are so many definitions of casual here. I’m pretty casual and I’ve got a 56 lock, 44 hunter and 25 mage. So yeah, I could easily have had a 60 some time ago.

[Ohshiftson-stalagg]

It’s kind of hard to say where a casual player would be since there are so many definitions of casual here.

True.

That’s why I clarified what sort of play time and behavior you could be doing while still reaching 60 by now. I think it’s more than possible for a casual to be 60 by now. /nod

[Klemp-kirtonos]

At that pace you are looking at 6 months to 60

in the real world, doing a hobby for 10 hours a week means you’re dedicated. WoW players have a bizarre perception of time.

[Communism-netherwind]

I’m not casual or a zoomer, I play this game a lot mainly because I’m in transition into new work and just grinding the days away in the mean time. I hit 60 in about 18 played and I messed around a hell of a lot since the typical 60 is 6-11 days… so I figure a casual that’s only focused on leveling should be 60 by now

[Zenji-sulfuras]

in the real world, doing a hobby for 10 hours a week means you’re dedicated. WoW players have a bizarre perception of time.

Assuming for an “average” person
168 hours in a week
-40 for work
-50 for sleep
-15 for meals
-5 for travel/commute
= 110

That leaves 58 hours to do “other” stuff. So you can see how there is a large variance is what “casual” can mean to people. Some spend 40 of those 58 hours gaming, others spend 10. They both could feel like “casual” players.

[Terrible-benediction]

You don’t have to rush. It’s been two months. You can easily have hit 60 by now just playing casually.

It’s kind of hard to say where a casual player would be since there are so many definitions of casual here. I’m pretty casual and I’ve got a 56 lock, 44 hunter and 25 mage. So yeah, I could easily have had a 60 some time ago.

If I hadn’t spent literal days mining ores to level my blacksmithing up/keep it at my level(ie: making level 24 gear at level 24), I probably would have been level 60 ages ago.

I think I spent 30 hours farming Mithril in Tanaris for example, god knows how long I spent farming Iron in Arathi before I got my mount.

[Safespace-westfall]

Filthy casual here: play about 1 to 2 hours a night. Full time work, school and family. Of course I get more time on weekends.

35 shaman
30 paladin
29 warrior