Can we talk about seed

as a boomkin. in rated bgs. :rofl:

i’m giving you the ability to show you can do it without using one of the most meta specs in a setting literally no one takes seriously.

lets go.

I think the real pertinent question here is: why would you suffer from leveling 1-59 in classic, then stop 1 level shy of 60? Lol

If they allow seed they should allow reincarnation for shamans in rated games.

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it should reset in pve too. no reason it shouldn’t. i can ss myself before a lfr boss and it resets and i can still brez someone when they die. because it resets on entering combat.

i have nothing to prove, i set my goal and got to it. you’re the one speaking about how easy it is. then do it: pick any pvp content you like (im wont try to force you like you do) and get to duelist rank with your iwin button

my thing is that we could both do the exact same thing at the exact same time and compare it. you’re acting like abusing borrowed power makes you leet. it doesn’t. if we both have the same handicap it’s fine. you do have a lot to prove though if you’re gonna try to rank shame people while using one of the most meme class/spec/covenant combos as if most people have it that easy. i’m telling you to put your money where your mouth is. there’s a reason you’re dodging it though. :slight_smile:

To be fair, his convoke likely gets shutdown 90% of the time. At a certain CR.people literally just wait for them to use it. Lol

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hi shadina. /waves

mr boomkin look at shadinas achievements. just a glance. what he says will be from a position of experience neither one of us could ever dream of. and he’s a multi classer too. so…

  1. I view it no different than classes/specs that have a talent/ability lets them survive a killing blow and potentially survive if you don’t finish them off after this occurs (i.e. rogue, mage, dk, etc).
  2. easy to tab target or click, it’s a large obvious target
  3. it has a hp bar, you probably don’t have enemy (over head) health bars enabled or maybe you’re using custom addon health bars that doesn’t display it.
  4. not difficult to click on, just literally click anywhere on it.
  5. no different than teammates who pop defensives or heals on a any of the classes/specs when their cheat death ability or whatever goes off in #1.
  6. no different than what priests already do with that pvp talent that lets them go into the angel form on cooldown to trick players that they died. If you fall for this, then it’s on you… or if you’re talking about the seed proccing during their angel form upon an actual real death, just target the seed and kill it and don’t be distracted by the big angel and end up ignoring the priest who’s seed popped.

Overall by the sounds of it, it sounds like instead you have an addon issue, because you’re using an addon to click/select targets for you rather than actually clicking on a target and potentially using addons to control your enemy health bars, etc.

So either try a different addon that can recognize and select seeds or simply learn to not rely heavily on addons to do everything for you.

Personally I never had any issues with the seeds, I have /startattack macro on some of my spells and that is sufficient to automatically target and attack seeds or i just simply mouseover macro or click them.

Lastly if you refuse to change addons or change your playing habits, you can always just grab a weak aura to let you know if an enemy has Podtender, and you can even set it to alert you with a BIG MESSAGE AND LOUD ALERT SOUND to kill the seed :stuck_out_tongue:

he’s not flexing on arena though. look how many times he’s talking about rated bgs. if he had argued arena half the comments in this thread wouldn’t have been posted. and there’s a reason people tell you to pay for the carry in rbgs and then to do your actual pvping in arena.

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finally someone with common sense

2400 experienced player here. I mention that because you ask for a high ranked PvP player to chime in. I’ve been above 2k a couple of times this expansion as well, although that’s nothing amazing.

That being said, my problems with seed are fundamental, not so much mechanical. Some of them were changed, such as the target thankfully dropping now when someone’s seed procs. But there are other issues with it.

Purely from a fundamental / principle matter, Seed is a 10 minute cooldown, and any cooldown over 5 isn’t supposed to be usable in arena. It’s why LOH can’t be used, among other things. So off rip, I disagree with it being allowed in arena purely because the cooldown is longer than what’s supposed to be allowed.

Forgetting that, seed is also inconsistent. For example, you can BOP, Sac, and WOG it. But you can’t void shift it. Additionally, certain cooldowns can be consumed by the person within the seed, and still get no benefit, which is another huge problem involving coding from Blizzard.

Personally speaking, good teams will peel it, heal it, put cooldowns into it, etc. The problem I have with it is it invalidates a coordinated go even though someone technically died. It’s not like cheat death where they’re brought to 1 health with an absorb. They quite literally died, and were given another shot because a passive which requires nothing to be pushed proc’d and they got saved after, which feels bad for the team which actually netted the kill and successfully coordinated in the first place.

That’s just my opinion though.

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I appreciate that Shadina!

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This is the part that a lot of people don’t fully understand, commiting to a kill consumes a lot of resources and may put you at a disadvantageous position if the kill is unsuccessful; with seed it’s always unsuccessful.

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shadina is extremely knowledgeable and knows what he’s talking about. he has impressive pvp achievements going back to 2010 or something. do you see how much more specific his complaints were than yours? and the reasoning he gave for stuff? his post was good feedback. you’ve been crying and flexing for like two hours. lol

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my posts were objective, you are the one that jumped into conclusions and trolling

you’re the one that doesn’t know how any class other than your own works. me calling you out on not knowing what spells priests have is not trolling.

In my experience killing the seed makes it stop them from reviving. Perhaps you should try that op.

i also appreciate the feedback shadina. i know you multi class so a lot of the things you’ve talked about i’m sure you’ve experienced yourself. i completely forgot that seed had a 10m cd for instance. and i AM night fae. since that’s the case, it probably shouldn’t be in arena for that one point.

You’re both welcome. And I do multi-class, yeah. Honestly, nothing more infuriating than hitting void shift, and it flying in the air, someone’s seed procs, they hit full health in the seed, I go down to 25%, and nothing happens because the seed proc’d and invalidated my cooldown as the ability is in the air. By far the most tilting thing. 5 minute CD, woosh. Out the window.

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