Can we just admit gnomergon is not fun?

WoW Classic Season of Discovery
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I think that’s an uninformed observation. I ran BFD on 5 alts, on every lockout (as soon as they were geared enough) throughout most of phase 1 and continued to run it through phase 2 on all of them as well (for the XP and farming for still-relevant items). I keep running it on my 40s to tool around, try different specs/runes and have fun/help others out.

I’ve never had trouble finding a PuG for BFD, except when there just happened to be an abundance of my class/role pugging at the time. If people were “bored of it already”, it would be hard to find a PuG, no? It’s way harder to find an Uldaman group than a BFD in phase 2.

Honestly, the only annoying part about BFD was having to buy a FAP to cheese the dumb dispel mechanic on Kelris when there wasn’t a priest… that and the 3 day lockout…

Gnomer is inaccessible to casual puggers in comparison. Blizzard seems to be catering to the wrong audience with Gnomer. I hope that whatever stats/metrics they have are telling them it was a colossal failure and they change course, because I’d really like to keep playing SoD, but phase 2, for me is “wait for phase 3 once you get to 40”.

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Absolutely not

But they will lie and say it’s about “accessibility” which is a disease if you ask me

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Gnomer sucks and makes no sense as a “leveling” raid. I am not against harder raids being added to era/classic seasonal forks. They should be added at 60 and expanded upon there.

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Yep Gnomer is trash.

It feels like a chore to do whereas BFD was just fun to run all the time on multiple characters.

Robots and the worst music ever are not enjoyable for a raid. Good lord. This is world of warcraft and we are listening to corny gnome music and fighting robots. It’s trash.

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On top of that we aren’t even allowed to make any gold running the raid.

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You don’t have to pay attention with any of these encounters.

You classic Andy’s are terrible at the game.

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That’s completely incorrect, unless your definition of attention was taken of some britcom sketch.

Many here mistake being skilled, with going into a raid with 9 other players, fully pre-bis/bis equipped, world buffed and using all top consumes, while well known in comms.

This can be verified in pvp, particularly in bg’s where many full bis sweaties, retail andy’s and probably zoomers, tend to shine for the worst reasons.

Pve Andy’s are an old thing, older than the so called classic andy’s…

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If you think any of these encounters require any sort of skill then you are simply awful at the game.

Straight up.

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It’s the worst raid I’ve ever participated in pretty sure.

The gear doesn’t help either… RNG belt coin flip, BIS trinket that can backfire, ridiculous cooldowns on BIS gear so you can’t use them for each boss (helm/belt/trinkets).

And by the way, the best raids run 2 shadow priests and no healers for the first 4 fights. What a joke.

I thoroughly enjoyed BFD w/ many alts. I personally won’t level an alt this phase because end game isn’t fun at all, even if I rerolled mage/lock/etc.

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I just want to get 9 schmucks and clear gnomer in 30 minutes. Not going to happen. They need to be very clear on what “leveling” raid means.

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All leveling raid means is that they can be used to level once the cap increases. It should be obvious by the mechanics, gatekeeping that goes into making groups, 2+ month phases, etc. that these are real raids.

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what fights did you enjoy from p1 ?

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Gnomer is fun when nothing goes wrong.

Gnomer is horrible when:

  • Healers refuse to press buttons on Thermaplug because it’s “not their job” (even when it is) then complain to the tank (me) that I am a horrible tank because they are OOM and still refuse to press buttons after 4 wipes. (Also said healer is the raid lead, then tells me how they are going to report me for leaving on the last boss and wasting their lockout) This has happened to me twice by the way, which is weird.

  • Armor Values higher than MC bosses (before nerf)

  • Players not understanding Electrocutioners Static Arc mechanic and moving into the group that already has the debuff killing them. AND Electrocutioner having 5+ different strategies because there are multiple ways to deal with Static Arc making pugging on alts a nightmare.

  • Gnomer meta being 6+ ranged for your 10 man raid making it extremely difficult to get in as a melee player (Because of Electrocutioner…)

  • Electrocutioner 6000

  • Seeing all of your cloth gear your warlock tank need drop when you are on your rogue and never on your warlock (my warlock has gotten 0 gear from gnomer after doing most of the lockouts because the cloth gear never drops with my luck)

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The mechanics are some of the most simple and straight forward blizzard has have made up. I enjoy both the bosses you stated. Long fights with stakes are fun. The electriution boss is easy, just 1 idiot that refuses to do mechanics can wipe the raid, so gkick them for their stupidity if they don’t learn after first mistake.

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Healer perspective here:

While healers certainly can push the buttons to stop the bombs from coming out, more often than not I’m on CD because I’m pushing the buttons for mana. I’ve been blamed for this before and it’s just as unfair as healers not pushing buttons at all and blaming the tank for being OOM.

Also, pushing the buttons as a healer can be very risky. Here’s what I’m worrying about when I am asked to push a button:

  1. How good the DPS are on bombs. If 1-2 of those hit me before I push the button, I’ll need to heal before I push the button or I could die depending on the bomb damage I took.

  2. How observant the other healer is. Are they applying enough healing to the tank and the raid while I’m pushing the button? What if they’re also doing to push one for mana?

I’ve cleared thermaplugg with 9 people before (one DPS died and our brez was down) but I don’t think it’s possible to clear the fight with only one healer.

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Have a melee group and a ranged group. Every second person targeted runs it into Melee and stays until next person gets hit.

Nobody else has to move at all except if they get aoe debuff, which you can still dps with using proper spacing, or to move back in after knockback.

It can even be the same person like a mage blinking in and out of melee every second static arc. Or more specifically, the first one on pull and then every second one after that.

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I hit 29 minutes tonight.

Was nice. Felt like BFD.

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I’m not asking heals to push the bomb buttons, just a button in general so they aren’t OOM.

The 2 instances I was referring too, the heals refused to even push a safe button to get mana back.

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The last comments show how, (like i mentioned), the mechanics are confuse and many times subjective, specially when pugged.

The electric boss, generally is pure confusion for puggs, specially after the knockback and if any of the ranged get the aoe mechanic.

And i agree, healing the last boss, while puging, is a nightmare. Puggs have a ton of melee, because many are having an hard time to get in guild raids and healers are normally assigned to buttons, but at the same time they are dependent on buttons, in order to not get oom and get the debuff.

The raid isn’t more difficult than BFD, its mechanics are just badly designed, not fun and prone to cause confusion in players that don’t usually play together and don’t have good comms.

The result is way less attendance than BFD, specially because alts are running away from it.
I only pugg, i find it way more interesting, no schedule dependent, drama free and less boring, because raids tend to be very boring and i accept the leverage that an organized guild has, while gearing its members faster and more efficiently, but as i said before, if blizzard will pave the way to only guild raids, SOD will end like SOM, probably even before the last phase.

Boss encounters can be set to require a good amount of skill, without being a mess that need a lot of coordination, dependent on third party software. And again, arcade/platform type boss encounters don’t go along with mmo-rpg’s, that thing basically killed pve in retail.

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Eh… I didn’t find BFD fun, raids on SoD are just a means to gear to PVP.