They tried to retroactively categorize stuff in that nonsensical Chronicles “cosmology map” thing. The whole thing is deeply flawed though.
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Old shadow magic is just a overarching term for more… sinister magic. I preferred when Spriests were just generally “shadowey” and not specifically one kind of shadow.
They weren’t specifically old god evil stuff, they weren’t specifically demonic evil stuff, they weren’t specifically necromantic evil stuff, they weren’t specifically cursed evil stuff… they were just shadow and completely open to interpretation.
Void magic is cthulhu-level old god evil stuff, and not my thing.
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It is true, they are clear in story that’s been explain, a real difference between all these Dark Powers but when it comes to game…
I guess the player decides by RP to chose what type of source their “Shadow” skills, spells and powers come from…?
Sadly almost all the new powers are direct copies of abilities by the various old god kthir mobs. Not a lot open to interpretation there
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Shadow magic was WoW copying D&D’s Positive Energy vs Negative Energy.
Good-aligned clerics in D&D channeled energy from the Positive Plane to heal the living and harm the undead, and evil-aligned clerics channeled energy from the Negative Plane to harm the living and heal undead.
Hell, Shadow Word: Death is a straight-up ripoff of Power Word: Kill.
I think a lot of Warcraft comes straight from DnD sessions the devs used to do. There’s a hell of a lot of overlap, so it completely makes sense that would be the origin of shadow priests.
Definitely. Death Knights as they were implemented in WoW (not necessarily the RTS) were straight up anti-Paladins.
Oh wow that is true… oh well. “C’est la vie”
That how it will be I guess… At least with DK and Locks they added Shadowfrost and Shadowflame to start to identify the “Shadow” dmg types.
Setting mechanics entirely aside, I like both, and there should have been room for both.
A shadow mind-melting caster and a void-consumed abomination caster.
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Honestly, “void-consumed abomination caster” sounds more like a story beat for an expansion (or maybe just a dungeon) than a class fantasy.
Yeah, I can see that; it would be (sort of) in line with the over the top fel-infused warlocks pulling tricks the players can’t.
I don’t think shadow was ever really that well defined in game until recently, because pretty much the entire cosmology wasn’t well defined. If they used words other than “the light” to talk about the light, void and shadow wouldn’t seems so weird, also.
If they made being a void abomination a choice rather than standard for all shadow priests it would be better, but I don’t know how insanity would work - you’d have some other insanity spender and not have void form, I guess.
Now that I type that out I suspect many shadow priests would love to have that option.
Yeah, I think with the “psychic” aspect of original shadow priests, you could easily still have insanity (or “madness” or whatever you want to call it). I think that mechanic itself isn’t a problem, moreso the move towards “shooting void stuff at people” and the disparate aesthetic.
technically yes, but also no.
Warlocks still use shadow magic yet have no connection to the void at all.
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They tried this too, in WoD (when this celestial void stuff started). For example in Hellfire Citadel raid, there is a dual fel+void elemental boss. Which is heavily associated with the warlock theme of the place.
shadow is the weaker form of void in wow cannon now. get over it .
Now that’s contributing to the thread.
its about the threads topic shadow which is void and you already have it it never went away. people dont seem to understand this.
Well we will not fully know until the Voidlands expansion releases.
Or at least until we are invited to Voidlands ’ Beta when the next wave of invites releases.
Void and Shadow are the same thing.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/f/fd/TheCosmicForces-WoWChronicleSample.png/revision/latest?cb=20160313175241
That was written in the perspective of the Titans, even the devs adit the charts was inaccurate, or unknown forces like Blood, Anima, as well as Sylvanas and Akaari’s presumably “Nameless Magic” would appear on the chart.