You don’t really seem qualified to interact with other people.
Hahahahahahahah.
Welcome to my world.
I have a VA Mental Health Intensive Case Management nurse picking me up in a little over an hour to take me outside for a “socialization activity” - PTSD, agoraphobia, crippling anxiety and depression, multiple suicide attempts including one that put me in the ICU for 21 days back in 2013 that I’m still recovering from (I have what I hope is my last surgical procedure to fix things scheduled for November 9th).
Doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Might mean I don’t pick my battles very well.
Judging by this thread it means that you have issues understanding fiction and creative license.
I was commenting on the appropriateness of the creative license being taken. i’m aware of the issues and have enough respect for the language and the mythology involved to understand just how inappopriate it is to create a female version of a quintessentially male creature.
The purpose of a forum is debate. Apparently that’s only allowed if it feeds the echo chamber of a few of the bullies here.
Your debate is allowed, if by no other virtue than the fact that none of us can stop you.
However, pointing out that your logic is flawed is not quashing debate, it is continuing it. Strict adherence to mythological origins does not promote creativity for anyone. Are elves in Warcraft “appropriation” of Tolkien? Were Tolkien’s elves appropriation of Norse mythology? If the answer to either is yes, should that still be treated as a negative?
My logic is not flawed. The only argument in favor of this seems to be “Blizzard has game lore in another game that includes female versions of satyr so it’s okay.”
That’s a logical fallacy on two levels as I’ve pointed out a number of times.
There are logical, reasonable, and factual reasons that redefining an exclusively male creature that respresents maleness itself as a multi-gendered race that I’ve also presented.
And all I’ve gotten is the same, illogical and fallacious response: “Blizzard did it so it’s good.”
I think you might not understand how logic actually works. It’s much more than, “This agrees with what I agree with so it’s logical.”
You did not answer my question.
Sorry, I was breaking it down a bit - my posts get a little, um, long (so I’m told). Watch this space. I’ll answer here.
Tolkien didn’t invent Elves - not even close. But in general, the treatment of Elves in WoW has been relatively respectful with both good and bad characters of both genders represented. That’s very much the same with Tolkein’s use of them in his own work. While his work moves the Elves into a more demi-god-ish role (closer to the Fae of Ireland than the Germanic Elves), he does so with respect to the original traditions.
Neither of those address the central issue I have with introducing a female satyr.
The satyr is very little more than an engorged phallus attacked to a goat torso with human arms and head (more or less). I get that you can’t show that in a T-rated game, but the creature is quintessentially and exclusively male.
Why use the name for such a creature for a female creature?
There are plenty other things that could be use.
I’ve suggested “Satyrite” (which simply means “like a satyr” and which would be appropriate) or “Satyrian” for the race but even that nod has been discounted as reactionary.
It’s perfectly possible to include the female models that have been shown as “evidence” here, have a link to the original creatures, and do so with respect but that would required a modicum, just a smidge of compromise, which no one seems to be willing to discuss.
All points you have brought up are literally “I dont care if it exists in the lore or how other games does it or the fact that other cultures have allowed it WoW must follow ancient greek mythology because I say so and it is true in every shape and form” Mixed with ad hominem attacks.
Satyr have been used in many different forms of mythologically inspired fiction, and in relatively few do they have the… physical attributes… that you describe.
The fact of the matter is that in popular fantasy satyr just means a humanoid creature with goatlike attributes. The common definition no longer includes the “male spirit” part, any more than common fantasy portrayals of elves or dwarves conflate them with their Nordic roots.
D&D (the go to reference for most modern fantasy) even explicitly has female satyr; here is a picture from a recent sourcebook:
You are hung up on an antiquated definition that is no longer relevant to the landscape of modern fantasy.
WoW’s take on satyr is that they are corrupted night elves. Within this framework there is no reason to be opposed to a female model, nor is there any reason to invent a new word or category to describe them.
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Yeah none of this is correct. Demons still exist because fel still exists. Fel is “cosmic-related” it’s literally on the chart, and all enemies have always been “cosmic-related” because everything is related to something on that chart.
I always thought not making females for the ‘tertiary’ races was strange. It’s so… odd, like half the population mysteriously disappeared. Like is blizzard afraid of releasing a female ogre because it won’t be attractive and that will somehow harm the game? It’s been over a decade now.
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Too be fair in the attractivness part I think night elf females should have bigger asses or was it breasts, but that is primarily because it should be in line with the classic model.
Other than that… Blizzard rarely makes attractive females. I mean sure there is the Shivarra models from 7.3 but you know.
It was probably pure laziness and/or cost effectiveness. They didn’t bother having two different forms of each unit in Warcraft III so a lot of them got locked into one sex or the other. And a lot of WoW’s original assets came directly from that, only getting updates when relevant to the latest expansion.
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We could but Blizz is spending dev time and art assets on stuff that people have forgotten even existed in the game. At this point I doubt we will ever get another patch or expansion because they are too busy “fixing” things that aren’t really hurting anything but their PR campaign.
They do but they aren’t important is what I’m saying. When you cut off the leaders head, the rest scatter into hiding. Don’t waste resources and time on content that isn’t relevant to current expansion.