Can we fix M+ back to season 3 of Dragonflight?

Bro I looked you up in season three, I expected you to be some insane top 1-5% - you didn’t time anything past an 18 and you are talking about challenge, that’s easy peasy, this season is easy peasy (relative for me), yet it sucks. It sucks for many of my friends who are just average Joe’s like you parsing greys and greens. So not sure where you get off talking about how season 3 was a cake walk, you didn’t even get a single portal. This season is insanely too hard and frustrating for the average player. I can do all the content, but since my average friends cannot, its not fun for me. It’s not fun for them either, feels like a job.

Don’t get me started on the squish. I want to blow through low keys, low 2’s and just Rick-Roll them with my over-quallified gear and get valorstones quickly. Now its like doing a 12 and there is actually a change it gets bricked, that is absolutely insane. Now we have to be selective in a friggin 2? That’s not a fun game design. I want to be able to solo carry a 2 with 4 other completely zero IO rated fresh dinged 80s and it be not a problem all whilst helping them get that initial start going. That’s not possible here. Complete oversight on Blizzards part, zero sense.

To say there are less dead tiers, there are more dead tiers than ever. You know why? For what I just metnioned about 2s, back in the day you could carry whoever you wanted through basically anything through 16. Thats not the case now, so you have to be careful even in low keys with the stops change or risk not getting your max valorstones. For this reason people only queue for the exact key number needed. Before it didn’t matter if you wanted to do a 16, you might actually do a 17 cause no F’s given, not that big of a diff. Now people will only do 8’s and skip 9’s completely.

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… so the problem is that you can’t carry 4 other people anymore?

:roll_eyes:

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No joke at one point in SL as a holy priest i timed every single key I ever did. Now you could say that maybe the dungeons were easier but one person could really make a difference in a group. A good tank or a good healer even one good DPS was all it took to time a 15

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I see what you did there :stuck_out_tongue:

No, that is a fun aspect, absolutely, the point is, even a 2 is sweaty or can be sweaty this season. That’s not fun.

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And 15’s should have given appropriately low rewards.

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No it was more fun that way

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Like I said previously, at least there’s universal acknowledgement that the only thing people really “liked” about M+ was the welfare gear.

They should just move the Gilded Crests and Myth-track gear from m+ over to pet battles or something. At least it would be a change of pace and not have the class imbalance disparities.

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Well I never argued for mythic+ to give mythic raid gear. And you only got the tip of heroic raid from vault and upgrades.

I agree that getting mythic raid gear from mythic+ should be way more difficult but for those of us below that let us have fun

I ran 24’s so that is irrelevant to me, I don’t think it’s the gear. I think its the instant gratification of success that we humans like. With the stops change, keys are being bricked more than ever. In a single gaming session people can make no progress at all. Many things factor into this like leavers in groups, but I’m sure gear has some part to it, but its far from welfare for the majority.

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People can get instant gratification running +2’s or +3’s or +5’s.

Or Heroic dungeons, which would be more appropriate to many of their skill levels.

The thing they’re complaining about, is that they’re not getting better loot for doing so.

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Are we making stuff up again?
Think before post, there is a whole in-game feature to search for pugs for M+.

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If by ‘season 3’ you mean DF S1, then yes.
That would just involve devs lifting a finger and that’s not really what blizz is about while you and I are testing a live beta version of M+ now, is it?

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Let’s agree to disagree, I don’t see what the big issue is. If a grey parser gets the gear, guess what, they will still grey parse. Are you threatened by less skilled folks having the same gear as you or they may pass you up?

In the grand scheme of things Id prefer everyone had the same gear so the difference would be the skill.

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Yes I feel most people agree that stops change was horrible

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No, the game director said as much when the system was announced at blizzcon.

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So remove gear from the game? Fine by me. Watch M+ shrivel up and die overnight, though.

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So I’ve noticed a common theme in all these mplus is ruined and hard posts on the forums lately. The vast majority made by players who cannot even this far into the expansiom get aotc and are hard stuck at 6,7 out of 8. So they are incapable of completing heroic level content yet think the content that rewards mythic track rewards in gilded crests they should be able to do.

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Raid would be dead 50 minutes before M+ tho

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It’s been like 1 month :joy:

Oh please, they’ve already made raiding one of the worst gearing methods in the game. Anybody who’s raiding for gear is living 15 years in the past.

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