Can we be done with these types of expansion cinematics, please

[Katare-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lightbulb-proudmoore

It’s actually not unusual of Marvel to endlessly bring back certain characters; that’s what superhero comics are known for, and it makes sense that their movies would do it too.

The comic book death rule: Nobody stays dead except Uncle Ben.

[Jalanili-moon-guard]

What I find hilarious is the implication that most players don’t just skip all of the cinematics. Might as well make them for the people who care about the game’s story at all, and most of those people do want to see the moments in time in between the big flashy showy stuff.

[Jàrèd-sargeras]

@Sifu-bleeding-hollow

This is World of WARCRAFT, not World of Boy-in-tears

Someone doesn’t know what its like to have PTSD

[Tékota-zuljin (Tékota)]

@Pugmug-wyrmrest-accord

Good luck.

Blizzard is having the same issues that Hollywood has been having since late-Infinity Saga and all the way through MCU Phase 4.

Their entire culture and value system is derived from one geographical location and therefore all ideas and story are shot through that prism.

This line of thinking has been to Disney’s detriment to the point where they’ve canceled production on the Blade reboot where an the Oscar-winning actor playing Blade was billed as fourth and their Snow White production, which originally canceled casting live action little people as the Seven Dwarfs and hiring seven randos to be stand-ins to delaying the film an extra year to do uncanny-valley CGI versions of the classical dwarves as an attempt to course correct due to an entire year or more of box office failures.

Metzen may be bringing the epic story beats, but the overall game will suffer under the small details, such as which characters are in focus, their arcs and what the acceptable outcomes are. It’ll suffer the same issues that Disney has had for like five years, story development by a committee, which again, derives its values from one slanted geographical location.

Terrible stories are written when your entire plot is written to an already conceived conclusion. Very few authors can organically connect a story where the ending is already sorted, but the beginning and the middle need to be developed.

Garrosh could have potentially found a payh to become a militant, but honorable Warchief but became a cartoon villain who ended up somehow being corrupted by Sha despite starting his arc being fully aware of the corrupting power of magic, in both TBC and Wrath.

Anduin could have finally manned up and realized that there’s a middle ground to his father’s aggressive path (which Varian was already tempering connecting with his son after his time away) and Anduin’s own desire for peace, realizing that as a king, he has to put his people first and his own desires second. You had an inkling of that in Legion when he picked up the sword. You felt like BfA would mature this. And it got completely derailed in Shadowlands.

Bolvar, despite being useless in Shadowlands, spent years being a cripsy critter with the Jailer screaming in his head and manned up better for the expansion, despite doing nothing but losing.

The writing tone is schizophrenic and lacks vision. WoW is a big project but that’s why when hiring writers you make sure they share that vision.

I have faith that Metzen has vision, but he is one man. I doubt he can retain enough creative control from those theoretically working beneath him, despite his title, to right the ship.

What he said.

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@Moondoggíe-faerlina

marvel has gone waaaay down. they’re bringin back iron man.
right after robert jr said he was done. he’s back to iron man 4.

You have a link to a trailer that isn’t a fake trailer from some random youtuber i have never heard of (or at least a video of marvel or RDJ confirming this)?

[Pugmug-wyrmrest-accord]

TBF, no matter what side, it would be an issue. Be able to appeal to a broad audience requires one to be exposed to multiple viewpoints, even those you may disagree with. The ability to empathize with a character who holds values in opposition of yours is what allows you to understand their motivations and write them authentically rather than create a caricature.

Saurfang going to Thrall shows a Thrall who believes himself removed from what’s happening. That the burden of leadership is no longer his to bear. But even before he realizes the assassins are there to kill him and not Saurfang, he’s still Thrall at his core and is ready to join the fight.

The cinematic ends with a Thrall people can hold up as a heroic icon.

Anduin in the teaser reminds me more of Like Skywalker in The Last Jedi. A sad sack who might as well have blue-green milk dribbling from his beard. It doesn’t end in an Anduin that inspires heroism or hope.

Same thing with Saurfang’s cinematic arc. Saurfang started out resigned but ended with him cast in an inspirational light. That is the role of the epic hero.

Anduin may have an arc, but they aren’t telling it right. And the main character stories are suppose to happen alongside our own. We work alongside these characters as ignoble heroes in our own right, but they have to be characters worth following. The Anduin in this trailer is not, just like The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker wasn’t a Jedi master worth learning under.

The more I think about it, if Metzen still has it, this is Blizzard’s Jon Favreau moment. If Metzen has the talent, he could right the ship and all they would have to do is stand back and let him have full control over the narrative, theme and tone. Like Favreau revitalized Star Wars for two seasons of the Mandalorian. (Good Ending)

Or like Disney/Lucasfilm, Blizzard could derail him and basically create yet another catastrophe where fans migrate from anger (and still caring) to utter apathy (in which case they’re lost forever) and WoW drops to Mandalorian Season 3 and Ahsoka numbers. (Bad Ending)

Or Metzen could be like Prequels Lucas and have really great ideas and bad ideas and needs decent people to tell him what is a bad idea. (Worst Ending)