Can i get a tl;dr on the lfr topics?

People who like LFR have such an ego they think the only reason somebody doesn’t like LFR is because of the gear they get.

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Thats my reason. At least its a fair point. Theres nothing wrong with disliking people AFKing when they realize the fight is already won or dying on purpose. LFR breeds that mentality. Thats a problem that doesnt exist in normal heroic or mythic.

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To add on to this, LFR lowers the floor for players. It teaches people they shouldn’t have to try at all in max level content and they will still get rewards. So then other content must be designed for these players who don’t care and won’t try, which is how we got Islands, world quests and warfronts. Then in order to get participation in this content, they have to over-reward it so it essentially forces high end players to participate in content they don’t want to do.

Also I think increasing raid participation is a good thing. DS and early MoP LFR was in a good spot I thought. It was still engaging and rewarding. Now LFR bosses just fall over, the rewards are gutted, and participation is at an all time low.

A lot of the LFR threads are troll and just looking for attention. But in my opinion I think the game could be a lot better by raising the floor and making all max level content engaging and rewarding.

One side thinks that it is bad for the game for a number of reasons that they say impacts everyone. the other side thinks it has no impact on the rest of the game and thinks that the other side just wants to stop them having content.

That is about an non biased as I can be. if i give details I will lean one way more than the other.

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Who is forcing you to run them?

Sounds like a you problem.

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CAN I GET A TL;DR ON THE LFR TOPICS?

Player 1: Filthy casual, ruining the game!
Player 2: Nasty elitist, ruining the game!

Rinse, repeat for 800 posts.

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There is a group LFR -haters with such low self-esteem, that they feel that LFR existence somehow diminishes their achievement.

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Tldr anti: its all about ego. Elitists want purples to be exclusive to then.

Tldr pro: if you dont do how does it effect you? Let me have my progression on my time.

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A lot of the replies in this thread are disingenuous, and some of them point to “elitist” feelings, or “trolling” while also in and of themselves completely disregarding genuine concerns/opinions. I can’t speak for everyone, and while these post in question have done so, I will tell you a few of my concerns.

  1. When compared to previous iterations of the game which lacked the feature, you will find that community participation/communication in regards to clan recruitment or creation is significantly lower. Many of us, I’m sure a few in this thread would not like to admit it, have come across a dying guild and had to jump to another, and continue that process until a “home” was found. LFR creates a sense of accomplishment and offers gear that casual players seek out to bypass having the need to finding a dedicated group to run the content with each week.

  2. It has become as monotonous as dungeon farming, as the difficulty is so far reduced to the point of it being a legitimate joke. Yes, you can only do each “section” once a week. Yes, it offers those with pressing real life issues to experience the end-game content. But it is so ridiculously under tuned that you can very well have a quarter of the people in the group do absolutely nothing and still have the boss down to grab a piece of gear. It looks good on paper, but the way it was implemented is/was poor.

  3. Imagine you are a new player. Imagine that your friend, the one who talked you into buying the game, tells you about raiding. Imagine you get enthusiastic. You start the gearing process. Now let’s say that you finally notice some of those UI elements you haven’t been focused on in the pursuit of gear and stumble your way across to the LFR window. You research it.
    What incentive is there to continuing the gear grind to get into a Normal/Heroic raid group when you could just as easily experience the content without any fuss whatsoever?

TLDR: guaranteed replies.

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Lfr evidently invalidates mythic raiding, professions, vegans, dating, spaying and neutering your pets, dieting, free elections, and some other stuff I can’t remember

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Elitists trying to elite.

:man_shrugging:

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Top tier reply.
10/10 commentary.
Master rebuttal.
Your point is clear, and your message is taken.
No strawmans exist here.

I think most think that no LFR would increase the normal raiding pool.

My fuss comes from experiencing raiding in Classic. Personally think it would serve the game a lot better if it crunched down to 2 difficulties at the most.

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My guess is that it’s trust level 3 folks trying to maintain their level or striving vainly to get on my level :rofl:

Why would you feel that way? LFR was added because not enough people were raiding. Why would they suddenly start now?

False…

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Except if they try to breach Normal+ they will very quickly learn that this isn’t the case. And if they don’t…does it really matter what they do?

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I do feel LFR negatively impacts normal and heroic raiding. There were tons of pugs in wrath and early cata. That’s how I raided for a long time. Sure there are pugs now but no where near the amount today. Guilds were more plentiful back then too. If there was a goal and the way to achieve it but you had to work for it…that’s what makes a good game design.

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