I’m sure you believe that you’ve achieved some kind of higher state of intelligence by pretending that feelings and mental health don’t exist but you’re actually just kind of a terrible and unempathetic person.
I have seen strong mental fortitude and consistent rationalization lead a number of anorexia clients darned near into their grave. It can be as effective as it is dangerous.
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One of those people who encourages hate speech and threats, because “MUH FREE SPEECH,” probably. Best ignored.
I don’t know if i would personally deem the condition of anorexia the result of rational thinking. For me the basis is simple: is this good for me? Or is this bad for me? Of which under-consumption is as equally dslangerous as over-consumption. I understand where you are coming from as one can have good intent for one’s self with restricting a diet. However someone with out patience and proper rationalization, could end up seeing results less than what is desired and seek a quicker outcome that results in habitual starvation (anorexia). Not a clinical psychologist or medical practioner though and as a result this is simply my own opinion.
Side anecdote, i appreciate the engaging civil conversation. Difficult to have with two dissenting opinions these days.
You dare demand we do something reasonable like be chill!
Spirits I wish.
No such thing. Speech is not capable of emotion therfore it cannot hate. Nor can a threat harm you. Only an action to which you naturally have the right to retaliate in a means appropriate to the crime.
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Definitely.
All I hear is “HUR DUR IT’S OKAY TO THREATEN PEOPLE AND HOPE THEY’RE DEAD MUH FREE SPEECH I CAN BELITTLE ANYONE I WANT AND PEOPLE THINK I’M COOL HUR DUR!”
Sad, really. But it’s the world we live in now.
This is precisely what I am talking about when regarding civil convo with a dissenting opinion being impossible. It’s unfortunate that it gives a specific political world view such a bad rap.
The “facts don’t care about your feelings” crowd doesn’t seem to see the irony that the entire scientific body of work that encompasses the study of psychology and mental health does not, in fact, care about their feelings that it does not exist.
Usually anorexia starts off with rational thoughts about how being skinny equates to being healthy in some form or another. Eating clean, doing intermittent fasting, all of the diet info out there in the world gives a sense of rationalization for taking actions. One can rationalize that these actions are good for them. Maybe these actions aren’t good for everyone, but they are good for them alone and that’s fine. I want to point out here usually is a body dysphoria somewhere along the way - like one client I had insisted that her knuckles were too chubby. But this dysphoria didn’t start her on her path of anorexia, it appeared near the critical stages. If she could just get her fingers to be long and elegant, she’d have reached her weight loss goal. And of course, her knuckles looked chubby because she was emaciated and the flesh of her fingers wasted away. But the cartilage in the knuckles doesn’t diminish.
But the mental fortitude part. The telling herself she needed to be disciplined, to the point she white washed her hunger away was astounding. She then started rationalizing her stomach pains as just her stomach acting up, the light headedness to not drinking enough water… you name a symptom, she had a rationalization for why it was occuring.
So it’s just a public service announcement. Sometimes rationalization can go to extremes. On the flip side it is really effective in cognitive behavioral therapy to look at a feeling, particularly a doom and gloom feeling and stop and ask oneself, is this real? Is the world really ending today, or do I just feel that way because I’ve been reading news alluding to the fact that the world is ending today? There’s solid ways to look at emotions rationally, for sure.
The weird thing is I would totally say that to people but only if they were my friend so they’d know I’m kidding around
The heck are folks talking about eating disorders for? I just scrolled up after my post
This along with any data can be skewed to one’s personal agenda. But, i mean i did clearly claim that i am not a psychologist or medical practitioner. And that my opinion is solely my opinion. I don’t particularly care whether you agree or not, but sometimes genuine good thought provoking convo comes from it. Sadly you don’t seem to
Some guy going on about how all mental health problems can be solved by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps or something.
And pretending that he’s having “good thought provoking convo”
Do those people never stop to think “If it were that easy, the problem would no longer exist” ?
That requires people thinking this is real and not made up— and requires brain power. Best to not think at all, apparently.
Yoink. Putting that one in the back pocket.
Both are effective and a part of my health routine. Though I do take care not to go overboard.
I see your point, and isn’t this “for a lack of better terms” delusional? To let fingers be a judge of overall body health.
True. One could see it as a self rationalization, however this would still be a delusion. Which I take extreme care to question every decision I make in multiple ways to assure that the best data is available and the choice I made was indeed as correct as possible. It may come to no surprise to you, I am an engineer. We think logically, block by block. For us, we have a obligation to think of all the what ifs and guard against them during design and decision making.
I would dare say we agree here, but indeed this rationalization example does result in physical harm. Whereas, to me, speech cannot cause that. Ones reaction to speech can, however that is one’s own responsibility and obligation to control.
This was a very interesting example and well put i may add. It cleared up a few things about your stance for sure that i could at least begin to agree with. Ultimately rationalization is a never endinh process, its redundant and tiring i admit. But it is my best tool in my belt.
You had zero “civil conversation” towards me. You don’t get to be butt hurt when you get back what you give. This is why you get ignored.