Can a gnome/orc couple have kids?

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09/12/2018 09:37 AMPosted by Cannibal
09/12/2018 09:20 AMPosted by Drahliana
Dwarves are not gnomes, and neither of them have a natural origin.

Dwarves are descended from artificial earth elementals created as titan servants. Gnomes are descended robots that were made flesh.
"Anything is possible with magic," not "Some combinations are possible with magic."

Also, dwarves aren't artificial earth elementals, they're Titan-forged just like the mechagnomes and stone vrykul.


"Forged" that means created by artifice, i.e. artificial.
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OMG, you should have your characters get duped into adopting a fully grown goblin.
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Curious Questioner: Is it possible?
Most People: Yeah, probably.
One Obvious Person Here: I want it to be no but can't affirmatively say no.
Blizzard, owner of the IP: Yes, it's possible.
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09/30/2018 10:43 AMPosted by Drahliana


"Forged" that means created by artifice, i.e. artificial.


A giant deer mated with the moon and produced a child who's own child mated with a rock elemental, creating the centaur species. This is canon.

Anything can breed with anything. At this point we're lucky having a wank doesn't impregnate the water in our suspiciously long showers.
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09/30/2018 08:51 PMPosted by Kisin
A giant deer mated with the moon and produced a child who's own child mated with a rock elemental, creating the centaur species. This is canon.


While technically kind of far from the point I've always kind of hated this as a defense for interbreeding. These are deific beings, not normal people.
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10/01/2018 03:19 AMPosted by Phontine
09/30/2018 08:51 PMPosted by Kisin
A giant deer mated with the moon and produced a child who's own child mated with a rock elemental, creating the centaur species. This is canon.


While technically kind of far from the point I've always kind of hated this as a defense for interbreeding. These are deific beings, not normal people.


Me'dan, a mortal being who has lineage from 3 different planets, should honestly always be the go-to for everyone.
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10/01/2018 03:19 AMPosted by Phontine
09/30/2018 08:51 PMPosted by Kisin
A giant deer mated with the moon and produced a child who's own child mated with a rock elemental, creating the centaur species. This is canon.


While technically kind of far from the point I've always kind of hated this as a defense for interbreeding. These are deific beings, not normal people.


Garona Halforcen. That is all.
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09/30/2018 05:59 PMPosted by Slippingjim
OMG, you should have your characters get duped into adopting a fully grown goblin.


How did I get into this situation?
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10/01/2018 03:01 PMPosted by Bloodbolts
09/30/2018 05:59 PMPosted by Slippingjim
OMG, you should have your characters get duped into adopting a fully grown goblin.


How did I get into this situation?


Looks like Slipping Jimmy’s Adoption Agency just opened for business.
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10/01/2018 03:19 AMPosted by Phontine


While technically kind of far from the point I've always kind of hated this as a defense for interbreeding. These are deific beings, not normal people.


The thing is, we're all mythical creatures as per the lore. None of us are normal biological life forms that adhere to real life genetics. Half of us were machines or rock formations that became fleshy due to a curse and the other half were mutated from magic water flowing through the world.

As has been said, Me'dan is the product of three different species from three entirely different planets. If this is a possible hybrid then where exactly do you draw the line?

Orcs and gnomes are at the very least descendants of Titan-created non-organic beings that achieved flesh later. They have more in common than the most prolific coupling; twice magically mutated indigenous animals that may have been elementals and the stunted, deformed offspring of once-stone cursed statues.
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Half of us are cylons.

The size difference creeps me out but it's possible because Blizzard says so, magic n stuff.
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10/01/2018 10:50 AMPosted by Yokumba
Me'dan, a mortal being who has lineage from 3 different planets, should honestly always be the go-to for everyone.


10/01/2018 10:53 AMPosted by Astaulån
Garona Halforcen. That is all


My point was that I think it's folly to gods as an example of viable phylogeny when they could be capable of things normal beings aren't. My disposition on interbreeding in this setting is independent of this.

10/01/2018 06:26 PMPosted by Kisin
The thing is, we're all mythical creatures as per the lore. None of us are normal biological life forms that adhere to real life genetics. Half of us were machines or rock formations that became fleshy due to a curse and the other half were mutated from magic water flowing through the world.


I'm slightly inclined to disagree here. While their origins are pretty much nothing like our real life species they're still very obviously beholden to many of the same kinds of struggles; hunger disease fatigue, etc.

10/01/2018 06:26 PMPosted by Kisin
As has been said, Me'dan is the product of three different species from three entirely different planets. If this is a possible hybrid then where exactly do you draw the line?


I'd prefer something more than 'lol magic' as an explanation, but as I said my original argument was entirely independent of my stance on interbreeding in this setting in general.

These things could be arguably easy to explain in ways besides 'it just happened' or 'a wizard did it', they just aren't. I've long come to terms with that.
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I'm slightly inclined to disagree here. While their origins are pretty much nothing like our real life species they're still very obviously beholden to many of the same kinds of struggles; hunger disease fatigue, etc.
Hunger and fatigue would have nothing to do with reproduction, and there's no lore examples of a disease causing infertility or anything similar.

Humans, Kul Tirans, dwarves, Dark Irons, gnomes, orcs, mag'har and, to an extent, goblins all come from Titanic creations or were altered specifically by the Titans or their creations.

Night elves, blood elves, void elves, trolls, Zandalari and nightborne all come from the troll lineage.

Draenei and Lightforged have unknown origins, but are confirmed to be able to interbreed with humans and orcs, creatures of two different planets.

Tauren and Highmountains likely evolved from Niuzao like many other anthropomorphic creatures and their corresponding Wild Gods, such as harpies from Aviana, furbolg from Ursoc and quilboar from Agamaggan.

Undead can't procreate so this is a non-issue.

If some of those couldn't interbreed with one another, I'd argue that'd make less sense than if they could.

10/01/2018 09:02 PMPosted by Phontine
I'd prefer something more than 'lol magic' as an explanation,
I think most of us would too, but "lol magic" is what Blizzard has handed us, and as the word of god says, the word of god holds. Any interbreed combination is possible with magic.
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Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Great...
Now I have an idea of a goblin/gnome couple who 'hate' each other and are just together because someone told them it wouldn't work.
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08/18/2018 12:03 AMPosted by Demilinde
the pervy artist side wants me to draw some lewd stuff involving a female gnome and an orc.
Do you need models?
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So everyone talks lore about this, but what about science. Anatomy issues aside (fixed with magic and technology) what about viability (also fixable with magic).

If we remove magic from this equation however and treat it like Earth, ultimately it comes to genetics. A tiger and a lion can produce a functional child due to having about the same number of chromosomes. Same thing with a horse and a donkey or zebra. A cat and a dog cannot produce a viable offspring due to the vast difference in chromosomes as well as belonging to two different families.

Obviously blizzard has not released such details relating to their races so your guess is as good as mine on whether the offspring would even be viable without magic. With magic... well... I mean we have fleshcrafting and gene splicing so what are we even arguing? You could just create the hybrid in a lab.
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10/04/2018 01:11 AMPosted by Vynianyx
So everyone talks lore about this, but what about science. Anatomy issues aside (fixed with magic and technology) what about viability (also fixable with magic).


We've already discussed this. Garona and Me'dan prove that genetics mean diddly in the Warcraft universe. Beings from entirely different planets with wildly different anatomy and body chemistry can produce young together.

Garona, a hybrid from two beings from two different worlds, was viable enough to reproduce with a being from yet another third world. No word on Me'dan can reproduce or not, but the fact he even exists gives us a good indication of Blizzard's thoughts on the matter.
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10/03/2018 09:23 PMPosted by Keraei
Great...
Now I have an idea of a goblin/gnome couple who 'hate' each other and are just together because someone told them it wouldn't work.


I mean... BtS gave us a Goblin/Gnome couple whom actually love each other. Your's just sounds like a drama-bomb waiting to happen.

Not that it wouldn't be fun or a blast, but I imagine eventually they'd end up legitimately loving each other, wouldn't they? XD
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10/06/2018 04:55 PMPosted by Kisin
10/04/2018 01:11 AMPosted by Vynianyx
So everyone talks lore about this, but what about science. Anatomy issues aside (fixed with magic and technology) what about viability (also fixable with magic).


We've already discussed this. Garona and Me'dan prove that genetics mean diddly in the Warcraft universe. Beings from entirely different planets with wildly different anatomy and body chemistry can produce young together.

Garona, a hybrid from two beings from two different worlds, was viable enough to reproduce with a being from yet another third world. No word on Me'dan can reproduce or not, but the fact he even exists gives us a good indication of Blizzard's thoughts on the matter.
We don't know the origins of the draenei, but we know they come from a Titan planet. Orcs are devolved Titanic creations, as are humans. It makes quite a bit of genetic sense that they can interbreed, actually.

At least two of them come from the same thing, and I think it's likely the third did too. Not just evolved from the same single-celled organisms either - from specifically crafted creatures by gods.