TLDR: I’ve grown up and my life has changed, I no longer have the free time to dedicate to an MMO, which makes a game like wow no longer a good type of game for me to be playing. therefore it is the developers fault, and they should change the mmo to fit my particular schedule and needs rather than me just finding a new game to play.
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Cite your source. Numbers haven’t been reported for many years now. I can’t believe you started this thread off with an opinion stated as a fact. Not off to a good start, champ.
Ok, cool. So you can’t meet the time requirements of the genre. Not everyone is able to meet the time requirements that most mmorpg’s require.
Then don’t grind for them. If the reward isn’t worth the time then don’t do it.
Grinding rep has been a part of this game, and genre, since the start.
Now you’re against the grind for power progression. Grinding for power progression has been here since literally day 1. Have you ever even played this game before?
Yeah, imagine that… having to play with others in an mmorpg.
Many people enjoy it.
You left because you don’t like even the basics of the game, it’s rather obvious. You don’t even agree with power progression or working with other players in an mmorpg. This genre of game probably isn’t for you.
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You don’t need flying.
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A) It’s not just one “region” of the game, it’s an entire expansion worth of content.
B) You were gone a year. If you hadn’t been gone and actually played when the content was live like the rest of us, you would have gotten both halves of Pathfinder naturally.
C) You’re clearly disgruntled going into this, so I don’t know what you expect to get out of this in the first place. If your arguments came from somewhere rational we could probably get behind them, but you’ve obviously walked into this with a chip on your shoulder, so you might as well walk out with one as well.
So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu.
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Welcome to every mmorpg ever.
Oh, so this is a pathfinder post.
Well, this is a huge exaggeration. It only took me a month or two for the base 6 reps, only playing for 10-15 mins a day doing emissaries to unlock part one. Part 2 I had unlocked 2 weeks after it became available, and I was on the slow end.
Most people who actually play the game don’t care about the requirements, they care about the roughly year time gate until part 2 releases.
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We all know why before even reading the post
I tire of the PF rants. It has a simple solution. You don’t have to do it this if you don’t want to.
I only have PF1. gets a faster mount speed and normal gameplay you will pick this up. No PF2 so I can’t fly in BFA. Nor do I care that I can’t fly. Work the decently arranged flight masters and ground mounting it is fine really for my needs.
And in a few short months…none of this matters. SL hits I will never ever eva….be in BFA ever again. Unless they come around to player demand and make skinny KT’s. Then I’d do the dungeon string to unlock . I have the rep. And then some after many paragons. On many chars.
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Hey opinions are fine, but honestly I think you are way off in the things you are annoyed about.
Cloak rank 15 and then corruption resistance - that is broken and dumb. The rep grinds required for allied races? omg that’s dumb.
M+ is fine. This is a MMO, so you will encounter other players - this has been true for 15 years in this game and it won’t change. And gear grind? That is bread-and-butter. The gear grinds are still fine; its the extra layers of grind… that sux.
I just tanked a WM5 PuG, and I usually do M10+, because I am farming up some weapons for windwalker. We +3’d it and crushed everything; everyone was happy. I often tank lowbie groups for fun and to help others.
So just putting that out there to show you the other side of the coin.
As for pathfinder? I think people get way too fixated on that. I agree, it shouldn’t exist, but there is a lot to do in this game before that’s even a thing to worry about. If you are just back, that’s like the last thing to work on.
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Well bye, hope you find a game more to your liking.
I wasn’t aware people had broken past M+30 yet and got +99 on farm. 
(yeah, clearly arguments based on massive exaggeration)
its not hard to gear up, especially right now. time walking for example give 425 gear and the quest give 430. Heroic Dungeons give 415. Mythic 0 give 430. World quest rewards scale with your average ilvl. the emissary quests scale up to 445.
what gear level did you try to do Mythic plus 2 (1 doesn’t exist) in?
even M0 would have expected your gear to be ~415.
over half the player power isn’t even gear its the essence (which granted some/ half of which are a little grindy to unlock. but there are some you can get fully upgraded within a few hours)
its the corruptions and Azerite gear.
The cloak allowing you to equip more and more which is really what has inflated player power recently.
there are other things you could do in WoW than end game. you could farm transmog, mounts, pets and toys in old dungeons and raids. you can level a new character.
Yes, the game is grindy, it wasn’t designed to be “bet” in 3 days. its something you work towards over time. they have scaled back many of the time gates (corruption vendor is still on the rotation so thats annoying) so for the most part the game isn’t that hard.
but yeah, if you just want to pick up a game and play try overwatch or some single player game that require less time investment and are not forced to play with others.
I think problem some have, myself including is after so many years playing, we can tell is bad now its worst its ever again, but all time spent and things done its hard to break away, like a addiction. Im struggling with that myself, everything is telling me to leave, from moment survival went melee was very hard and breaking moment for me. So i spent 2 expansions rerolling over and over trying to find something, anything i enjoyed. I cant, nothing fills the void my favorite spec left and other specs I enjoyed is or has their class fantasy stripped away, looking at you poor shaman totems going bye bye. i have like 21 days left, but im tryin to find away where i dont get that itch to come back. Its annoying I dont know how to seperate for good.
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It took me around three weeks to return to the game at lv 85 and get to 120+ Pathfinder. Yeah it was a lot of work and I had a lot of free time during that period, but it doesn’t have to take “months.”
It also took me less than a month to go from lv 1 to 120 and Heroic raid-ready on an alt. I played that toon like 1-2 hours a day most days.
I also wasn’t really racing in either case, and definitely didn’t do things the quickest or most efficiently.
Point is that it doesn’t take as long as you think to progress. If you don’t enjoy the grind then that’s another thing, but I happen to mostly enjoy the process. Also next Xpac is coming out relatively soon so you could just return then and be on equal footing with everyone else.
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And right in there with “I have a life and can’t be bothered to play the game, gimme gimme gimme.”
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Not just the “I have a life” but also attacking anyone that might disagree with them:
Starting off from the beginning insulting people (getting defensive themselves) and then going for the “I have a life” retort is pretty standard for “I want the game to change to my schedule” type of individual.
It’s not a good idea to join at the end of the expansion, OP. Everyone is in grind mode, or taking breaks like I am. Everyone has hit and surpassed their gear goals. We’re about…what, five months probably from Shadowlands (though it may need longer before it’s ready…)? Now was not the time to return to WoW, I’m telling all of my potential new players to wait until the next expansion. Now isn’t the time to try and play.
But sorry, OP. The game is the same as it was a year, two years, three years ago. I would definitely recommend research prior to resubbing in the future (if you so choose). At least the game is here waiting for you to return if you would like!
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no, game is in garbage state and we hate it
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That’s your issue right there.
WoW is an MMO. As such it’s aimed primarily at people who have a lot of time to throw at it – people like students, retirees, people on disability, people who have freelance jobs and the like. The “average person” who works 60+ hours in a job somewhere isn’t the target demographic for this type of game. You can play it with an “average person” schedule, but it really only works well if you are either (1) really, really patient (i.e., ok with advancing slowly), (2) really, really organized (i.e., extremely efficient with playtime / “gogogogo!!!” expert) or (3) really regularly dedicated (i.e., you can only play 60-90 a day, but you make sure to do it pretty much every day over the course of months and even years). If you don’t fall into one of those categories, it really is true that “an MMO is not for you” any longer.
There are many other games that are better suited for the “average person” schedule. Things like the other online competitive games, which are easy in/easy out for short play sessions. Or strategy games. Or SP RPG games. It’s really the case that most other gaming genres don’t penalize you so heavily for having a lower time investment, or not being able to play every day like an MMO does – MMOs are designed around heavy, regular, consistent time investment, and if you can’t do that, you’re going to be frustrated with any of them.
Our guild is mostly made up of older people with careers and kids, and we manage Cutting Edge every tier. You’ll find a lot of people with similar backgrounds who play at a higher end.
The game doesn’t take a lot of time to play. Maybe people should just spend less time trolling in trade chat, and more time actually getting things done.
EDIT: Also, you make a lot more efficient use of your time if you don’t pug. Pugging is just a roll of the dice on random strangers. Not a good use of time.
I agree with the OP that pathfinder is a complete waste of time. The developers should just make flying available at launch at a much less of a grind (perhaps getting rid of the rep requirements). Pathfinder is a weird compromise that makes almost nobody but the developers happy, it seems.
Otherwise, I dunno, I recently started playing again a couple weeks ago after taking almost a year off, but since I only play solo, with LFR and LFD with no premade groups, I have zero complaints about the game itself at this time.
I’m thinking I’ll play for a couple months then quit again, and see how flying shakes out in Shadowlands before buying it. If they’re doing this pathfinder thing again, I’m 99% sure I’m not coming back.
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I didn’t read this thread, just your post, OP so Idk if someone already said this.
In SL’s, Pathfinder is no more.
All MMORPG’s have a grind, it’s just really obvious lately with this one.
Lately as in the last few years.
I don’t do mythics so I can’t comment on that but I agree with you about LFR/D.
Was a good idea that is now 'just there". Seems something more could have been done with it but they went another way.
GL to you wherever you go. Be well.
I don’t have a need to respond to this post because you will read it. I just like to point out some things that aren’t accurate. I guess, despite being an avid critique of Blizzard, I am one of those nerds you mention for even replying…
No, you didn’t. Not having time, does not equal being an adult. It might be a “cool” thing to say like being “fake-busy”, but there are plenty of adults here that still play.
I totally agree the grinding here is absurd, and most adults wouldn’t be attracted or able to sustain the play style. Don’t, however make the assumption that just because you are an adult, it’s reason enough to quit if it makes sense. It seems like you forgot the type of game World of Warcraft has always been.
It has always taken less than 1 month to achieve both things. It was artificially time-gated, which was worse. But since 8.2 anyone can get Pathfinder Pt.1 & 2 in less than a month. Exaggeration never does anything to help your cause in a public forum, as you have noticed people will call you out on it.
This is not true and makes no sense at all. Top Mythic Raiders or Dungeons don’t do LFR.
You are also speaking from a point of view of coming late into the expansion… what exactly did you expect to find?
Are you sure you are an adult? Because this is the response of a teenager. Every game has toxic players and toxic communities. Anonymity does that on the internet, you learn to deal with it or avoid it altogether. If you truly have played other games, you would know that WoW is EXTREMELY tamed… in comparison to others.
I guess Blizzard should count their blessings because you absolutely have no idea what Classic has done to the franchise as a whole. I am not a Classic player or fan, and I still admit that it has reinvigorated and attracted old users by the millions who actively play and support the game, and intend to do so for the future ahead. It was definitely THE best business move the company could ever do. No need for new IP, new assets, or new content production! All net profit.
I am sorry you didn’t like the game anymore. It happens. And it’s ok to vote with your wallet. But you should get your facts straight and understand that maybe, based on the information you provided… you simply didn’t understand what the game is now rather than the game failed you in some way. Advice from another adult, try to not make so many assumptions and overstatements just to prove a point. It makes you look less so.
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