Wouldn’t Lilian Voss have made more sense as leader? I know she doesn’t want to be leader. But who cares? Just make her the leader anyways.
I feel like they wanted a more attractive avatar.
Belmont is my pick, because Lilian neither wants to be leader and didn’t really want to be Forsaken.
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Maybe they should have resurrected Pamela Redpath and made her leader then. I’d follow her.
I don’t think a child should lead. It could be amusing, but I’m not sure how effective.
At this point I’m just throwing out names I actually recognize. I have no idea who Belmont is.
He’s on the council. If you did the blight clean up quests, you may have come across him (not sure if this was different Alliance side).
Insert Name here!
Rise, Insert Name here!
Welcome back to the realm of the living. With the blessing and power of the Dark Lady, I have freed you from death’s grip.
You are no slave, insert name here. You are free to follow whatever path you choose from here. If you choose to serve the Dark Lady Sylvanas, I recommend you speak with Undertaker Mordo. You will find him behind me, in the graveyard.
Yep in classic the dark lady was so evil you were given freedom from the scourge
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What always got me with the forsaken was the difference in what and how they went about being undead
in deathknell
You kill samuel flipp to bury him with his wife who he killed btw. because that was his wife’s dying wish, was to spend “eternity” with her beloved. The quest was given out by Elreth a friend of the departed. not mustache twirling evil.
Kill some forsaken ghouls and zombies…again not evil
Kill bats, worgs, spiders still not evil
collect supplies from the ruined city still waiting for the kicking of puppies.
Then we have the only quest that you kill sentient life
At war with the scarlet crusade…if trying to defend your self from crazy people is evil then we have a different set of problems
That was the starting quest in Deathknell None of it was this horrible evil all forsaken are crazy thing people have said.
This next quest is my favorite example of the forsaken being more than just the crazy plague scientist that most other races get to interact with.
The Chill of Death
It’s so cold, now. The Plague of Undeath crawls through my veins like an icy serpent. The Mindless State will be upon me soon. But no doomed destiny will prevent me from serving our Dark Lady. When the call arose I sewed body bags for the fallen soldiers of Sylvanas’s mighty army.
Now my hands shake from the chill. If you would bring me five Duskbat Pelts and some Coarse Thread I could sew myself a blanket. Help me, insert name, so that I can continue to serve the cause.
It shows that the forsaken do have a form of death that can creep up on them, that true death is the least of their fears, they can become mindless zombies again.
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ok yea Calia is maybe no the best to lead the forsaken…
but have you seen her mana buns, talk about blessed
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But, but… Cata and BFA that weren’t even there when we created our characters… lol
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Accepting someone for their scars doesn’t mean you don’t try to help them rise above those scars. If someone has a vice that’s hurting them or you, you don’t sit there and go ‘well that’s just how it has to be’. You try to help, either directly or by bringing in professionals. The Forsaken abused the Horde they joined.
If the Forsaken really valued their allies, they’d knock off the blight and start respecting their values. Like they’re beginning to do under Calia.
You aren’t trying for that, you are trying for erasure. People are talking about wanting Forsaken to be like when they started their characters and you are like nope. And you aren’t even Horde. Go away.
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Scars
Being enslaved to Lich King
Being healed by not nature magic makes you wish you were dead.
Your living family wants nothing to do with you (because you remind them of the LK)
A human group constantly at war trying to exterminate you because your undead
Betrayal by a forsaken sub faction with a plague that could wound the LK.
With the LK dead the realization that your people will not survive and will die out since you can’t have a normal life.
What has the horde done other than try and reverse undeath in game, no books or outside game content. Thats a lot of scars to heal and I don’t remember anyone lining up to help the forsaken.
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The Forsaken brought this on themselves. If they could have kept their darker urges in check, not ruin every ecology they touched, respected their allies, and not perform horrific ‘experiments’ on captives and civilians alike, they wouldn’t have the intense distrust that they earned. Then they have the gall to run around the Horde and scream ‘oh pity the poor zombie, for I have no soul and no means to know what I’ve done is bad.’
Sod off with that nonsense. The Forsaken were chronically unable to read the room they were invited to inhabit and instead keep punching holes in the proverbial walls. 3/4ths of our faction are tightly attuned to spiritual aspects, naturalism, and are, in fact, living? Better develop a wild distrust of all beings with a pulse and develop a weapon to utterly annihilate everything our oh-so-beloved allies hold dear.
The Orcs were slaves to Mannoroth yet they somehow managed to cool themselves down and be able to not constantly violate the values of their peers and allies. The trolls managed to break away from their cannibalistic and far more powerful bretheren tribes. The tauren faced extinction themselves at the hands of the centaur but managed, with the aid of the Orcs, to win back their existence. The origins of the Forsaken are tragic, but not unique.
Funny, then, that the Horde’s healers were trying every druidic and shamanistic trick in the book to help them out. Or at least offered to, since the Forsaken have a funny tendency to keep to themselves and distrust the living. Wonder where they got that from…
It sucks to have bad PR, but that’s all that is. Only fix for that was time. Now that a couple decades have passed and there have been Forsaken willing to engage with their living families peacefully, they’re finding out that the separation needn’t be quite so total. At least, y’know, when Sylvanas doesn’t decide to execute all of those potential traitors. Gotta keep bodies between her and the consequences of her actions after all.
Yes, this same group was also a thorn in the side of everyone not undead as well because they were pretty much fixated on Humans dominating the world, and ‘human supremacy’ isn’t something that either side tolerates. The Scarlets tried to tear apart Tauren as readily as Forsaken. So boo-hoo, trust in your allies more you anti-social nitwits.
Ah yes, this event that affected the Forsaken and only the Forsaken. Why did the Horde and Alliance show up at Undercity again after that? They clearly didn’t lose anyone in that little ‘whoopsie’.
Sucks to be cursed, but that’s the nature of a curse. They’re not meant to be positive things. Maybe if they lean on their allies some more, breakthroughs might be made, or at least mitigating the worst effects.
They offered the Forsaken a place in the Horde, and their trust. Which the Forsaken repeatedly abuse and then use the living soldiers of the Horde as meat-shields to hide from Alliance retribution, and then spin around and flaunt their curse as a way to excuse themselves from Horde retribution. After all, it’s an ‘alliance of convenience’ to them.
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Garrosh was the first orc since thrall and immediately pushed around all the other horde races, seems they didnt cool off enough.
They did have forsaken who volunteered to be cured, but you don’t fix undead.
Bad writing and you know it.
So it dosnt matter that they want to reclaim lordaeron from the forsaken and make a new human kingdom gothca
I never said it didn’t effect anyone else, but the first instant of them being “evil” is a sub faction and most people seem to forget that. also the forsaken lost Grad apothecary Putress and Varimathras who both planned the betrayal.
I love this. Your all evil and your going to die, but be nice and make friends.
Other than wrathgate and the dark ladies terrible writing to becoming dominated by a nipple robot what did the forsaken do that wasn’t terrible writing and came out of no where?
I mean…there was a lot of stuff in Cata which wouldn’t exactly paint us as the good guys.
Narratively it’s fine to have an evil subfaction like the Forsaken. It’s silly to try to make the Forsaken seem like victims that do nothing wrong. We’re basically the North Korea of Azeroth.
That doesn’t mean every single Forsaken out there is a moustache twirling villain eating kitten brains for breakfast. In fact one of the better decisions narratively to come out of WoW since Legion was giving Horde players a choice in supporting or betraying Sylvanas (and yeah we all know the writing still sucks but at least there was a choice).
But everything else that came after? We didn’t get a choice with Calia and we don’t like her.
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well, afaik Lillian is the one who actually sits on the actual Horde Council.
The Desolate Council governs the Forsaken, but Lillian speaks for them as a whole in the Horde and is considered the Racial Leader, Game Mechanic-wise. Seems kinda like a First-Among-Equals kinda thing when it comes to the Forsaken.
This was good but it only happened after players complained about the lack of choice.
Agreed. They need to stop trying to force her on the Horde.
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as I said earlier in the thread, she would have been much more interesting as the absolutely-not-undead secret leader of the resurgent Scarlet Crusade.
From everything I’ve read and watched, she seems like much more of an Alliance character anyway. She would have been interesting as a Lightbound Undead in the Alliance, to see how the Alliance would get along with her.
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