I see that the council is already falling apart.
No surprise there.
A collection of rocks could lead the Horde better.
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Well whether she is leader or not this seems to outright say both Calia and Derek Proudmoore are now considered part of the Horde. The only way I could see this being interesting is if they get forced into a situation where they have to put Horde interests ahead of Alliance ones. Wonāt hold my breath for that though as honestly I think Blizzard will conveniently avoid putting them in such a situation.
I am still very annoyed they and Lillian Voss got shoehorned into the spotlight of the Forsakenās story in BfA with practically no build up for it. Lillian literally showed no interest in the Forsaken prior to this even in Legion and Calia is practically coming out of no where for most Horde players. It is half assed narrative planning at its worst.
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I think both in case of Talanji and Rokhan the issue isnāt about having temporary cease fire (because Talanji herself said that she was willing to wait so long they are all capable on standing back on their feet) but the fact that he asked to send diplomats to KulāTiras. Sending delegacy to woman who just ransacked Trolls city and killed Talanjiās father.
And I believe that this is what pissed both out. Both Talanji and Rokhan arenāt strangers to diplomacy after all, and they are reasonable people that did try to make best decisions at each circumstance through the entire expansion span.
As for the āpart of the Hordeā itās tricky. Because it implies that Zandalari were merged with the Horde, and theyād still have to do what council member decides. So we will see how it goes.
But I agree with you on the rest.
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Plus letās face it, the Darkspear have a pretty bad history with the Kul Tirans in general and Proudmoores specifically. It was fighting off invading Kul Tirans which left Senājin open to be kidnapped by the Sea Witch and the first thing Dealin did when he turned up was attack the Echo Isles. Just about every home the Darkspear have had in recent years has been attacked by Kul Tirans.
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Honest question here, but do the trolls even see the difference between human nations? I figured they attributed those attacks to humans in general.
Trolls generally donāt like humans much (and frankly vis versa seems to be the case too) but I feel pretty sure the Trolls know exactly which humans messed with them. Case in point. Talanji seems to hold a specific grudge towards the Kul Tirans and the Proudmoores.
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I imagine that royalty have more political knowledge.
I feel your underestimating the intelligence and knowledge of the average troll. Then again maybe the same is true generally. Many humans probably canāt tell one troll tribe from another. The Darkspear however definitely know who attacked them.
Unless you are a soapbox for the devs like Anduinā¦
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Iām happy that Vulpera got attention.
ā¦poor Ji. xD
I donāt disagree with your assessment, I think it makes sense for Talanji and Rokhan to be upset at Lorāthemarās suggestion. I do think that Rokhan is wrong if he actually thinks Lorāthemar is a coward, because I donāt think Lorāthemar is afraid of Jaina, I think heās wary of starting up another conflict with no firm end in sight. BfA made a point that heās tried to learn what Taran Zhu taught him, which happens to be especially relevant when it comes to the topic of vengeance against Jaina Proudmoore. If the Horde sends arms against the Kul Tirans, that breaks the armistice and gives the Alliance justification to retaliate, thus sending the Horde back into the cycle of aggression that Saurfang was trying to stop. Some of the council, including Lorāthemar, want the armistice to be a stepping stone towards lasting peace, not a time-out for both sides to regain their resources before they attack each other again. If Talanji will only be satisfied by violence against Jaina, thatās going to be a major sticking point in the discussion.
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I can honestly respect both their drives. Lorthemar has always been about making Azeroth as safe for his people as possible, and lasting peace with the alliance can secure it. The Trolls meanwhile lost their for lack of a better term, God-King, and in Talanjiās case he was her father. They want revenge for the death of someone incredibly important to them. The neither group really wants to have proper full blown war against the alliance as a whole, but their diametrically opposed goals and methods are on full display. This is what iād want to see in this type of Council Dynamic.
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Absolutely, if everyone on the council agreed all the time it would be boring. Thereās some good storytelling potential with this sort of dynamic that wasnāt possible in the same way with a single Warchief leading the Horde. There wasnāt a lot of room for disagreement under the Warchief, so any conflict was either bottled up or came out in the form of makāgora or insubordination and rebellion. Look at what happened with Garrosh, Cairne ended up dead, Volājin was nearly assassinated and then rebelled, and Lorāthemar almost defected before backing Volājin. If Garrosh hadnāt had so much power on his own in the Warchief position, he might have had to at least listen to the others before making decisions. Similarly, Sylvanas was able to squash any open dissent and brand others traitors, basically telling Baine at Lordaeron that he could surrender, defect, or fall in line. If the other leaders had been able to push back on her decisions, or if she didnāt have that much authority over the others in the first place, we might be in a very different position now. Iām hoping that the storytellers take that difference in power into consideration going forward.
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Well, the Horde is supposed to be āAt a Crossroadsā in the book, right?
āThis is the sixth time the Horde has been at a crossroads. We have become exceedingly efficient at it.ā
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To be fair if you reach a crossroads and decide to turn around and go back the way you came that still counts.
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