Calia is a great character and she should be the new forsaken leader

[Carhagen-moon-guard (Carhagen)]

Google it!

Not that it matters at all.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

It’s a focus Calia may actually grow into herself.

I’d rather her be dead.

She’s an anathema to everything that is Forsaken and Horde.

Be like having a golden Garrosh lead the Lightforged.

The Forsaken are turning a new leaf and are finally crawling out of the cesspit of being monsters. The Horde, similarly, is re-evaluating itself and restructuring itself to survive in a new paradigm of cooperation.

Both of those aspects are right up Calia’s alley.

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

Then why bother having the Horde at all?

I didn’t sign up for Alliance 2.0.

Stupid lore.

[Smeltingacid-deathwing]

Calia is terrible and she’s not even real forsaken. She’s an alliance character being forced on horde. This story line sucks big time and I hope it doesn’t happen.

[Helsylvan-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The Forsaken are turning a new leaf and are finally crawling out of the cesspit of being monsters.

this is a coup to fill a vaccum of power.

I will NOT accept a leader that thinks I’m not correct or “wrong” for existing. You can try to justify it as much as possible. The only thing you will succeed at accomplishing is turning me against my own will.

That’s something low enough for even Sylvanas to try.

[Eleandir-wyrmrest-accord]

@Carhagen-moon-guard

Shadow’s Rising novel.
Death’s Rising in-game event.
Other sources of in-game lore written by the remains of the Scarlet Crusade.

Shadow rising shows her as a project. A probable leader in the future.
Death rising and SL intro show Calia as neutral, friendly to the Alliance and even telling Valeera they’re alike.
Scarlet Crusade only mentions her as an undead killed by Sylvanas ans “her lover Anduin”, with no mention of Calia being the leader of the Forsaken.

None of Blizzard canon lore shows her as the current leader of the Forsaken as you claim, you’re just twisting sources to your liking.

[Helsylvan-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

it’s a state that should not be.

And yet it is. So you can either accept us or reject us. Your sentiment seems to be it’s okay to reject us, even if that’s what your precious light queen wants.

[Carhagen-moon-guard (Carhagen)]

The only person twisting the lore here is you.

And I have no more time for that BS.

[Khairan-quelthalas (Khairan)]

yes, she is the rightfull ruler of lordaeron

[Kyrthean-emerald-dream]

She gave the illusion of free will. She raised the fallen with no consent and gave them the ultimatum - Join us or be hunted down like an animal.

She never offered Free Will once she got the powers to rise Forsaken out of her own, but she did make her followers believe so.

[Nippyss-barthilas (Nippyss)]

That place doesn’t exist anymore

[Helsylvan-wyrmrest-accord]

Calia isn’t the leader of the forsaken. The transition of power is still transitioning.

Lordaeron fell when Arthas sacked his own kingdom. Then the forsaken used it as the Undercity.

Hello?

[Carhagen-moon-guard (Carhagen)]

I’ll repeat myself for those at the back who don’t seem to have gotten the memo yet.

@Carhagen-moon-guard

End of the day here’s the reality, like it or not.

Blizzard has written that Lordaeron is now being, at least temporarily, governed by Lillian Voss and Calia Menethil, with Calia learning what she needs to know from Lillian.

Calia Menethil is a respected member of the Horde, and is recognized as such by other leaders of the Horde, such as Thrall, Lor’themar, Gazlowe, Baine, Rokhan and Thalyssra. She has a seat on the Horde Council, alongside other Horde leaders.

Calia Menethil is even recognized as the leader of the Forsaken by other leaders of the Alliance, such as Anduin and Tyrande Whisperwind.

So what you can expect moving forward is for that story to continue to expand and for Calia to eventually take her place as sole leader of the Forsaken. If you can’t handle that, well, good luck to you, but it’s not going to change.

[Nippyss-barthilas (Nippyss)]

They once read about it

They haven’t lived the race for 15 years

They clearly know more than us forsaken bois

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Helsylvan-wyrmrest-accord

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

it’s a state that should not be.

And yet it is. So you can either accept us or reject us. Your sentiment seems to be it’s okay to reject us, even if that’s what your precious light queen wants.

The Forsaken need to get with the program and not be monsters anymore. I slay zombies for a living and 37g a dozen.

Undeath is a condition. Hopefully for which a cure is found. One that doesn’t involved liberal applications of Arcane Missiles. But if it comes to the Dead versus the Living, well…

I’m just putting a corpse back in the ground. That’s all.

[Helsylvan-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The Forsaken need to get with the program and not be monsters anymore.

You first.

[Nippyss-barthilas (Nippyss)]

We have no emotion and eat human corpses

It goes beyond a condition

As does this whole concept and your understanding

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

You can’t just remove cannibalism because you don’t like it.

Undead are always going to be monsters no matter what kind of fluff you try to weave.

[Nippyss-barthilas (Nippyss)]

I rolled undead to be a heartless monster

[Willis-black-dragonflight (Willis)]

Calia can take a long walk off a cliff