Warrior is 50% of the raid because the game has been played long enough that everything is figured out. It is really more about the gear and hitting very specific breakpoints (hit, weapon skill, attack power, etc) than the talents.
I assure, you. If you had suggested playing Dual Wield Fury Prot and bringing 20 DPS Warriors into Naxxramas in 2006 on the ElitistJerks forums you would have been banned and been added to their wall of shame. This is a private server invention, that unfortunately works…
Also they can tune this stuff if they want to. Fury Warriors could have been tuned down from 2019 but the community wanted #nochanges. A #nochanges Warrior permanently on the best patch for Warriors in the game’s history is going to have an outcome. Classic+ would probably be more like the live game where there are hotfixes and tuning patches.
You uh. Don’t use tanks in dungeons man. Double mage is the most efficient.
No because they take up a warriors slot. Only case a Prot has ever been used was to drop a healer when duel spec came out just for trash because conc does decent dmg. A paladin cannot put out more threat than a warrior even on short trash pulls.
I hope they destroy dungeon leveling. Put all of the xp into one-time quests. You can still rerun dungeons to get loot drops and help friends/guildies but don’t get kill xp.
Apparently. I’m not sure why some of you guys are using tanks in dungeons. Having a warrior(DPS) press taunt on a mob when needed is and has been the play for years. You just kite with blizzard. No bear prot paly or Prot war should be brought
Anybody with a brain who actually reads my posts knows this isn’t true. Thanks for proving my point that you’re an illiterate troll though!
Because retail already exists? It’s not that hard, bud.
Not only that, had this gotten to the point it is now back then, Blizzard would have done a balancing patch. Which, exactly as you said, would be something that would occur in Classic+.
I dunno, I get where you’re coming from but dungeon gameplay is actually my absolute favourite. I fell in love with it on my very first Deadmines run in 2004 and it’s been my love ever since. I don’t really enjoy Retail very much these days but I confess that, every now and then, I feel the tug to do a M+ season.
Having said that, while I’m all for dungeon leveling as a route, it should be comparable to questing and I’m not a fan of boosting. I feel like you should actually have to play the game to progress.
Hahaha what an outrage!
Personally I like the 2h class fantasy of a bonkadin. I actually have trouble envisioning what a dw paladin would represent.
Yea, the real issue with warriors is they have no brakes. This is in stark contrast to every other class. Even rogues have energy ticks holding them back. Warriors compound as they gear up to the point where they can freely push their buttons because they’re at 100 rage all the time.
The retail stream solved this with some rage damage normalization, which I think would be fine for Classic+. Your proposed change as well. A while back I suggested a mechanic where using rage made the warrior more and more exhausted, which reduced the amount of rage they generate via a stacking debuff. This debuff could be mitigated with consumables, which put it more in line with how mana works.
It didn’t go over well… a bunch of warriors didn’t like the idea of being less OP haha. If we ever do see Classic+ though, they’ll probably need to get used to it. I would not expect this trend to continue.
You don’t want changes to C+ for balance. You actively defend the world buff warrior slop. You already have era stay there.
Era already exists we don’t need era with a few more gold shire quests. It’s not that hard.
You have gone against any form of balance recommendations. You don’t want balance. You want warrior to be the best at everything and other classes to sometimes be viable.
You don’t want balance. Ret isn’t viable. The 16 debuff limit also makes them unviable. Advocate for balance if you want rets, but that’s retail to you.
We have already done the Sims. If they added rage normalization warrior is still the best. If they press no abilities and just auto they are number 1. World buffs make the gap even bigger. Nothing comes close. You have to entirely rework the class. Or an easier solution is just rework all the class and remove debuff limits. The meta of fire mages not being able to spec into ignite should end. Stop defending the warrior only world buff slop
Ah yes they are perfect then. Or you could run a warrior and not have to wait XD. I love taking a class that’s just objectively worse. What’s the harm in changing bears in C+ to be equal to a warrior tank? You guys always just say the dumbest stuff “just don’t press ur buttons bro” then when people take a warrior tank because they are better you guys say “meta slave you don’t need to play like that take 4 hours on naxx instead”
What about your prot pally friend? The one that has that goal of tanking Sartura? Shouldn’t he be able to tank an instance if he wants? You would just ditch him like that?
In vanilla the most efficient way to do a dungeon is without a “tank" a warrior just there to taunt is better. My friend who like Prot paladin is playing TBC where his class is viable. He prefers to be able to tank unlike vanilla where it’s just warrior only because nothing else can hold threat against other warriors, but keep defending the balance of vanilla. Strange you guys actively just want no other class but warrior at the top. Classic+ will disappoint you era warrior slop players
Most efficient way is to just not play vanilla and advocate for his class/spec be good enough to be considered efficient. Not a hard concept. Idky you want to see nothing but warrior on top. The players base has voted with numbers. TBC>vanilla. No one wants warrior only era 2
You guys don’t want changes to classes to break the warrior meta. Not one of you has said you want all classes and specs to be considered viable based on the individual players skill. God forbid all classes are within 10% of each other and the individual is what makes the spec/class good. However you guys just keep saying “I love niche support classes that arnt viable in the meta because I run a 4hour naxx” no one cares that ret can clear naxx. They care ret isn’t viable in the meta when there is 0 reason it shouldn’t be. You are advocating for keeping these specs down just because you think it’s cool. Make all specs and classes viable in the meta as long as the individual player is good enough. Stop advocating against it. It’s cringe.
Incorrect. I don’t want taunt for Paladins, that’s all. I’m all for meaningful class balance changes that address real issues.
Era with new content doesn’t exist. That’s what Classic+ is. Classic… plus! Note that The ask for Classic+ began long before any other version of Classic was released.
Retail gets new content all the time, so if you just want retail, play that.
The problem with bring “the player not the class” was implementation. Devs can go back and try again. But the locusts will find a way to circumvent that. Other players that want friends and guild mates to enjoy the spec/class of their choice will continue to encourage and assist in that goal. And have fun doing it.
