11/02/2018 06:17 PMPosted by
Menard Lordaeron will achieve greatness again. And when they do, they'll need a new leading lady. Calia Menethil is coming... but I hope they don't abandon other notable Forsaken, like Voss.
Why on Azeroth would a single Forsaken follower her? Last I checked Calia was a filthy Ally, you know the faction of bigots that hunted the Forsaken? Her "claim" means nothing to the dead.
Why on Azeroth would a single Forsaken follower her? Last I checked Calia was a filthy Ally, you know the faction of bigots that hunted the Forsaken? Her "claim" means nothing to the dead.
Well, seeing as she's not Alliance, is now Undead, actually cares about her people, and doesn't think of them as mere shields to protect her from Super Hell like Sylvanas, she has a lot more in favor for her than Sylvanas at the moment.
Oh, and she didn't slaughter her own people out of paranoid stupidity for them not being blindly loyal and obedient, like Sylvanas did. Sylvanas wants to be the Lich Queen, but without the mind control. Derek Proudmoore and the Forsaken-Human meeting where she slaughtered her people is proof of that.
But, to Sylvanas fanbois, being a refugee is "cowardice"
Nice robust argument you got there.
I, for one, welcome our more kind and tolerant new leaders over the insane and stupid edgelord leaders we have now.
Sure, welcome those that are more than willing to allow the Alliance to step over the Horde even more.
11/02/2018 06:17 PMPosted by
Menard Lordaeron will achieve greatness again. And when they do, they'll need a new leading lady. Calia Menethil is coming... but I hope they don't abandon other notable Forsaken, like Voss.
Why on Azeroth would a single Forsaken follower her? Last I checked Calia was a filthy Ally, you know the faction of bigots that hunted the Forsaken? Her "claim" means nothing to the dead.
The Forsaken aren't mindless zombies. They're citizens of Lordaeron. That's who they are. They never stopped being Lordaeron citizens. Lordaeron didn't stop existing. The kingdom lost it's royal family, but the citizens remained.
Sylvanas has a quest in Silverpine which explains the Forsaken. And she didn't speak ill of their king. She hated Arthas, but their king was a very good king. The Forsaken also didn't destroy a small plaque that was in-game for their king. If they hated the man, they would have destroyed that.
The Forsaken, the citizens of Lordaeron, were betrayed by the Alliance. Yes. They were hunted. But the Alliance abandoned Lordaeron. They abandoned Calia as well. Who saved Calia? Alonsus who was loyal to Lordaeron.
Also I see many posts saying Calia should have saved her citizens. We're playing a game with princes and dragons. Princesses in old era fantasy settings are traditionally pawns to be married. Which Calia was. That was her highlight previously. She was to be married to a humanized Deathwing. So she couldn't really do much anyway.
I think Horde players will feel differently about Calia if they present her correctly. If they can show that she if she gets upset with Anduin because of the siege of Lordaeron, I think that would be well received.
Well, seeing as she's not Alliance, is now Undead, actually cares about her people, and doesn't think of them as mere shields to protect her from Super Hell like Sylvanas, she has a lot more in favor for her than Sylvanas at the moment.
Oh, and she didn't slaughter her own people out of paranoid stupidity for them not being blindly loyal and obedient, like Sylvanas did. Sylvanas wants to be the Lich Queen, but without the mind control. Derek Proudmoore and the Forsaken-Human meeting where she slaughtered her people is proof of that.
Lol being lightforged undead dosent maker her not Alliance anymore, shes still a part of the system of bigots.
Plus all you did was list reasons Sylvanas wasn't qualified, Calia still hasint done !@#$ for the Forsaken as a whole, sure she helped a group of 10 undead who were already planning on defecting but thats literally it.
Sylvanas literally cared for the Forsaken at one point and I think she will again before its over but even if she dosent the next obvious choice would be Nathanos who showed in BTS he still genuinly cares for the Forsaken.
Why on Azeroth would a single Forsaken follower her? Last I checked Calia was a filthy Ally, you know the faction of bigots that hunted the Forsaken? Her "claim" means nothing to the dead.
Obviously you didn't read any of the rest of the thread or the novel Before the Storm.
See, Calia died at the meeting where the horde and alliance were trying to reconcile forsaken and human families when Sylvanas ordered an attack to "kill hope" as she tells Nathanos.
Then 3 priests attempted to resurrect Calia, but she became an undead infused with light rather than return to life.
So, we have the legitimate heir to Lordaeron who can now fully sympathize with her former/current subjects as she is in the same state they are in.
Why would the forsaken not consider following her? There is nothing in her lore or current condition that would be an insurmountable roadblock to it happening.
Especially if the "free willed" forsaken find out the selfish evil manipulative shenanigans that Sylvanas has been pulling.
Edit: I do think that Blizzard is planning on installing her as leader of the forsaken, how exactly, I do not know, but I really do not see any other reason for Calia's current state.
What will happen to Sylvanas? Who knows, she might be exiled, she might be redeemed, she might make some noble self-sacrifice, she might walk away, she might get mind controlled, she may have been being controlled for a long time, she might give over leading the forsaken to Calia as she has to focus more on leading the whole horde, etc.
There are a whole bunch of possibilities that don't necessarily include "Garrosh 2.0".
Calia is a terrible creation and needs to fall into the same hole Med'an fell in to.
So, we have the legitimate heir to Lordaeron who can now fully sympathize with her former/current subjects as she is in the same state they are in.
As I said, her claim on a dead kingdom means
nothing.
Why would the forsaken not consider following her? There is nothing in her lore or current condition that would be an insurmountable roadblock to it happening.
Except for the fact that the Forsaken are game and lore wise members of the Horde and contrary to popular Alliance thinking, races of the Horde shouldn't just forgive and forget the 30 years of war with the Alliance and abandon their family just because they disagree with their Warchief lol.
Calia Menethil? She has no right or claim to the throne of Lordaron. She's been alive fot 10+ years and made no effort at all to re-establish contact with her people, which unless she gives a logical reason as to why, she basically doesn't care about her people by gone for so long without answer.
Caelia is gonna get Sylvanas Lightforged and co-lead the Forsaken.
Calia Menethil? She has no right or claim to the throne of Lordaron. She's been alive fot 10+ years and made no effort at all to re-establish contact with her people, which unless she gives a logical reason as to why, she basically doesn't care about her people by gone for so long without answer.
Her logical reason was literally to usurp Sylvanas' hold over Lordaeron, 'as is her right' (How anybody has any right to destroyed lands and kingdoms is beyond me), by using under-handed tactics and to openly display that she is possibly more vain than Sylvanas by openly attempting to draw the Forsaken in to defecting at a peace talk.
Calia Menethil? She has no right or claim to the throne of Lordaron. She's been alive fot 10+ years and made no effort at all to re-establish contact with her people, which unless she gives a logical reason as to why, she basically doesn't care about her people by gone for so long without answer.
She explained this. She was exactly like Lilian Voss. She thought forsaken = scourge. So she ran. She didn’t know they were different until she met Alonsus.
So now she trained under Alonsus until the time is right. And only she can decide that, since she’s the legit heir to the throne.
11/02/2018 09:45 PMPosted by
Midare Sure, welcome those that are more than willing to allow the Alliance to step over the Horde even more.
Better than disgrace the morals that Thrall built the Horde on, like Sylvanas.
Nice robust argument you got there.
It is indeed, as it's the truth. She was a refugee, she couldn't do anything as she had no position to do so. Until she was able to see how tyrannical Sylvanas was to her people, she was fine leaving them be.
Plus all you did was list reasons Sylvanas wasn't qualified
Every reason why Sylvanas isn't qualified, is a reason for Calia being qualified.
I hope she shows up in 8.1 so Sylvanas can put another arrow in her, or better, calls on her champions to end her worthless existence.
Stop trying to make Calia Menethil happen. She isn't going to happen.
11/02/2018 07:11 PMPosted by
Akston Why would the Forsaken follow a traitor like Calia?
Why are we being shoe horned into weak leadership like Calia and Saurfang.
Getting rid of the only Horde leader that has any power. Bravo.
Because she's our rightful queen.
Sylvanas's time is coming. We won't allow her to use us for her selfish self preservation much longer.
Killing us to keep herself in control of our destiny was the last straw.
Calia Menethil? She has no right or claim to the throne of Lordaron. She's been alive fot 10+ years and made no effort at all to re-establish contact with her people, which unless she gives a logical reason as to why, she basically doesn't care about her people by gone for so long without answer.
Because Sylvanas would of killed her sooner than she did.
Stop being fooled by her, Sylvanas is just using our kind as cannon fodder to keep herself alive.
Also I don’t believe in the novel Calia even talks about Sylvanas that much. But Calia owes a massive debt to Sylvanas.
Wc3 Sylvanas is a hero to the forsaken, she was their adoptive Queen. But BFA Sylvanas is replicating the Lich king.
It’s not that Calia is a better leader than Sylvanas. It’s just Sylvanas is becoming everything the original forsaken hated. She’s turning into the prince that betrayed them.
And the forsaken never hated the menethils. They hated Arthas.
11/02/2018 10:23 PMPosted by
Menard And the forsaken never hated the menethils. They hated Arthas.
They even built a monument to Terenas Menethil. They loved him, and his daughter who is much like him. Arthas is hated because he betrayed his people and slaughtered them, and Arthas alone.