so after classic release should they release burning crusade classic server?
If they do should you be able to transfer your classic server character to BC server?
i can see some issues with this messing up classic servers population but if a BC server comes out im pretty sure 85% of that pop will prob go on a BC server anyways.
Second if you are allowed to transfer to a BC server don't you think they will mess up the economy?
I personally think if they do make a bc server , everyone should start fresh. OR before they release classic they should inform people that "this server will become a progression server" meaning it will be turned into a bc server later down the road.
But i can see this being a issue since they dont know if they want to do a classic BC switch later on
What do you guys think. how should they introduce Burning crusade classic servers and what are the pros cons of doing that?
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Should they release a Burning Crusade server? YES!
Should you be able to transfer vanilla character to BC? Copy, not transfer.
Will server transfers mess up population? Yes but copying characters will limit the damage by letting players go back to their old vanilla characters.
Economy? Too many variables like tokens/cash shop to know.
Should you be able to transfer vanilla character to BC? Copy, not transfer.
Will server transfers mess up population? Yes but copying characters will limit the damage by letting players go back to their old vanilla characters.
Economy? Too many variables like tokens/cash shop to know.
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i like the copy idea would be nice to play vanilla and bc :D
I dont like copy idea, but its my opinion.
I think if players want BC experience, they have do it in all leveling either.
- BC have a early game content, have talents, some skills, and some low gear distinct than classic.
- BC have a open world pre outland, if copy idea runs, the world dont will have same imersion than if not have copy
I like BC, and i think if people like BC they should wish all expansion experience including leveling and early content.
I think if players want BC experience, they have do it in all leveling either.
- BC have a early game content, have talents, some skills, and some low gear distinct than classic.
- BC have a open world pre outland, if copy idea runs, the world dont will have same imersion than if not have copy
I like BC, and i think if people like BC they should wish all expansion experience including leveling and early content.
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I like BC but we should cross that bridge when we come to it, let's worry about Classic for the time being.
As much as I like the idea of future Classic expansions, what the playerbase might want and what is doable could be at odds. Is it possible to keep the rerelease of the original game independent of future expansions?
Okay, so most of us at least know that there are private servers out there dedicated to just one expansion. It would seem that Blizzard should be able to do the same thing. But is it? There are a lot of factors at play here that point to the idea that even if it is doable, that Blizzard would more than likely stick to the original formula, meaning that eventually the original game will once again cede to future expansions and gear will once again become obsolete between the original and a Classic BC expansion. At the foundation of WoW, gear is constantly being replaced by better gear anyway, in the original game time period.
Personally I am preparing for each eventuality and I will not be butt hurt no matter which way Blizzard chooses to go. I think it is more than likely that Blizzard will keep expansions going through LK since they all include the old world, and that if anything, Blizzard may seperate these three from any other work they may do, due to intellectual property concerns (that’s a different post), but that’s about it. As player friendly it would be to separate each classic expansion, it might not be cost effective. This is why one private server does not support two different expansions which are completely separate. But to be honest I wouldn’t know a thing about private servers. All I know is that when those who have played them mention their play in these forums I have never seen an argument that says x-private server hosts both a version of the original and a version of BC, so why can’t Blizzard do it?
I know my postings are usually on the long side but I would like to offer something else for consideration. There is another perspective. Some like to the think of an original classic and classic BC expansion as being two separate entities. In theory you guys are correct. What do you expect the BC guys to do when they want to level someone up from level one, though? Do you see the conflict now? What you are suggesting is that Blizzard make a third original Classic to work with BC so that the current rerelease can remain in tact. Do you suggest the same thing if Blizzard releases an LK expansion in the future? Just giving people some realistic food for thought.
Okay, so most of us at least know that there are private servers out there dedicated to just one expansion. It would seem that Blizzard should be able to do the same thing. But is it? There are a lot of factors at play here that point to the idea that even if it is doable, that Blizzard would more than likely stick to the original formula, meaning that eventually the original game will once again cede to future expansions and gear will once again become obsolete between the original and a Classic BC expansion. At the foundation of WoW, gear is constantly being replaced by better gear anyway, in the original game time period.
Personally I am preparing for each eventuality and I will not be butt hurt no matter which way Blizzard chooses to go. I think it is more than likely that Blizzard will keep expansions going through LK since they all include the old world, and that if anything, Blizzard may seperate these three from any other work they may do, due to intellectual property concerns (that’s a different post), but that’s about it. As player friendly it would be to separate each classic expansion, it might not be cost effective. This is why one private server does not support two different expansions which are completely separate. But to be honest I wouldn’t know a thing about private servers. All I know is that when those who have played them mention their play in these forums I have never seen an argument that says x-private server hosts both a version of the original and a version of BC, so why can’t Blizzard do it?
I know my postings are usually on the long side but I would like to offer something else for consideration. There is another perspective. Some like to the think of an original classic and classic BC expansion as being two separate entities. In theory you guys are correct. What do you expect the BC guys to do when they want to level someone up from level one, though? Do you see the conflict now? What you are suggesting is that Blizzard make a third original Classic to work with BC so that the current rerelease can remain in tact. Do you suggest the same thing if Blizzard releases an LK expansion in the future? Just giving people some realistic food for thought.
On the release of the bc server they should allow transfers for 30 days.
After that they should be full on separate servers.
Transfers can only occur to character who are lvl 60.
This means that when BC server releases (should be 2-3 years after classic is out) you can chose to do the transition if you have reached end game of classic.
The 30 day window is so people have time to power through the last few levels if they wanted to transfer.
But after that 30 days it's a separate server, no transfer.
People who are likely to transfer are people who have finished vanilla end game to their satisfaction (and if they play classic again they would be starting a new alt anyway) or people who preferred BC anyway however that won't stop them from playing both as vanilla true "draw" is the journey to end game, not end game itself and because of this it's likely BC transfers will come back to classic now and again with an alt.
After that they should be full on separate servers.
Transfers can only occur to character who are lvl 60.
This means that when BC server releases (should be 2-3 years after classic is out) you can chose to do the transition if you have reached end game of classic.
The 30 day window is so people have time to power through the last few levels if they wanted to transfer.
But after that 30 days it's a separate server, no transfer.
People who are likely to transfer are people who have finished vanilla end game to their satisfaction (and if they play classic again they would be starting a new alt anyway) or people who preferred BC anyway however that won't stop them from playing both as vanilla true "draw" is the journey to end game, not end game itself and because of this it's likely BC transfers will come back to classic now and again with an alt.
I would prefer only Classic, with perhaps the BC content scaled to L60 and added on as a content patch, rather than taking the population and fracturing it. For all intents and purposes each expansion so trivialized and rendered obsolete the earlier content as to make them virtually different games.
So yes to the content, no to the silly gear level jump and no to the additional levels.
F Expansions.
So yes to the content, no to the silly gear level jump and no to the additional levels.
F Expansions.
Yeah, I don't see why they wouldn't make a TBC server down the road a ways.
I have mixed feelings about transferring from Classic. Progressing on was exactly what happened last time. It almost seems the normal thing to do here. Everything worked out. Although, if you do transfer, I feel it should be a transfer...not a copy. Life comes with choices.
I have mixed feelings about transferring from Classic. Progressing on was exactly what happened last time. It almost seems the normal thing to do here. Everything worked out. Although, if you do transfer, I feel it should be a transfer...not a copy. Life comes with choices.
character copies are too easily exploitable. it would have to be transfers.
maybe just have new characters start at level 60 on a TBC server with some basic green gear
but id also be fine with it being completely separated with new chars starting at lvl 1
maybe just have new characters start at level 60 on a TBC server with some basic green gear
but id also be fine with it being completely separated with new chars starting at lvl 1
08/31/2018 06:43 AMPosted by WulfaI like BC but we should cross that bridge when we come to it, let's worry about Classic for the time being.
Terrible idea. I like the idea on of the posters had above - have a realm that will be pure vanilla! No copying charcters off the server - it's a PURE vanilla server. I want to know that- unless Blizzard doesn't like this idea and wants every single Classic character on every single Classic realm to be able to move their character to BC (just like it was/is for new xpacs). But atleast give us one stable and pure Classic server. One that people can play on forever.
I would bet every dollar I have that Blizz will not comment on this at all. It is far too early to be talking about this when we have yet to see how popular Classic will remain. If the numbers are not high enough, I doubt they even consider a TBC option. However, should they remain high and the players keep asking for it, who knows, there was once a #neverclassic mood at Blizz so we know they can change.
If they did do a TBC, then that opens the door to how many expacs are enough? None of this is free and Blizz has said time and again they do not want to manage 2 MMO's. Dropping a museum piece Classic fits into that mindset, rolling out other expacs starts to blur the line.
I am jazzed for Classic and consider that a huge win, I am not ready to try and force more concessions before we even get to enjoy what we asked for.
If they did do a TBC, then that opens the door to how many expacs are enough? None of this is free and Blizz has said time and again they do not want to manage 2 MMO's. Dropping a museum piece Classic fits into that mindset, rolling out other expacs starts to blur the line.
I am jazzed for Classic and consider that a huge win, I am not ready to try and force more concessions before we even get to enjoy what we asked for.
08/31/2018 04:38 AMPosted by Spyso after classic release should they release burning crusade classic server?
I most definitely hope so. I would love to go back and forth between WOW: Classic and BC: Classic.
08/31/2018 04:38 AMPosted by SpyIf they do should you be able to transfer your classic server character to BC server?
Personally I'd like to see something like the character copy they do for PTR/Beta, which leaves the original but nothing gained by the copy can ever go back.
The original BC experience had many people with their level 60 characters doing an event and going through the portal, but did also have new players starting in Azeroth. Both existed day 1 of BC, so it seems more natural to allow those who want to level and BG and such from lower levels the option, but not prevent those who don't want to repeat the leveling effort they've already done in vanilla to carry it forward.
EDIT: Thinking more on this, I believe it might need to be a one-off thing to prevent abuses. Any one account would have a single chance to copy one or more characters, and all character copying would be done at the same time. There could even be specific limits of what servers to transfer to (especially if the number of realms or names are different).
08/31/2018 04:38 AMPosted by Spyi can see some issues with this messing up classic servers population but if a BC server comes out im pretty sure 85% of that pop will prob go on a BC server anyways.
Personally, I'd want to keep playing both. They scratch different itches. Neither has experience locking, so some things, like raiding Ahn'Qiraj at level 60 can only be done on a WOW: Classic server because a BC server would level someone to 61 too soon.
08/31/2018 04:38 AMPosted by SpySecond if you are allowed to transfer to a BC server don't you think they will mess up the economy?
No. Tied into the above, that was the original experience. Many 60s, a few at or near the gold cap. The profession mats changed, but most players started at or nearly capped on their vanilla professions, so they moved right into BC mats.
08/31/2018 04:38 AMPosted by SpyI personally think if they do make a bc server , everyone should start fresh.
I suppose that is one option, and maybe if the demand is large enough, they could make one server of each type that blocked transfers. I just don't see the point. Within a few months it will have those people who rush to 58 and head through the portal, then rush to 70. The window for being "fresh" is so small, and doesn't really provide value.
It's not like someone who spent months getting to 60 and gathering and doing other things is getting boosted ahead of everyone else. Anyone who has done the work to get to 60 in a vanilla-only environment has DONE THE WORK.
I would love to see Wrath servers, before all of Cata's old world changes. Theres a lot I missed out on because Cata dropped and changed a lot.
Though the level cap would be 80, Blizzard might be able to pull off the old time hopping stuff, let us scale back to 60 or 70 and do the Vanilla or BC stuff on-level. Doesn't "need" to reward natural level gear.
But, this is all imo.
Though the level cap would be 80, Blizzard might be able to pull off the old time hopping stuff, let us scale back to 60 or 70 and do the Vanilla or BC stuff on-level. Doesn't "need" to reward natural level gear.
But, this is all imo.
I just want to see some new official news to break this forum out of the endless cycle of recycled topics. It's like Groundhog Day. Sonny and Cher should be playing in the background.
YES!!! BC all the way. Right up until they started nerfing pve because of arenas.
I loved BC so much. Very, very happy to have Classic coming down the pike, though. Adding BC as an option at some point is just the gravy on the cake. Pure cake gravy!
I loved BC so much. Very, very happy to have Classic coming down the pike, though. Adding BC as an option at some point is just the gravy on the cake. Pure cake gravy!
I personally have no interest in playing TBC. I'm only here for Vanilla. However, it would be cool if they eventually do TBC for those that want it.
08/31/2018 09:00 AMPosted by LyychI would bet every dollar I have that Blizz will not comment on this at all. It is far too early to be talking about this when we have yet to see how popular Classic will remain. If the numbers are not high enough, I doubt they even consider a TBC option. However, should they remain high and the players keep asking for it, who knows, there was once a #neverclassic mood at Blizz so we know they can change.
If they did do a TBC, then that opens the door to how many expacs are enough? None of this is free and Blizz has said time and again they do not want to manage 2 MMO's. Dropping a museum piece Classic fits into that mindset, rolling out other expacs starts to blur the line.
I am jazzed for Classic and consider that a huge win, I am not ready to try and force more concessions before we even get to enjoy what we asked for.
Part of me thinks you're right, but part of me also thinks it would be a bit short sighted of Blizzard to not be mulling this over as well.
It goes without saying they'd need to assure adequate demand. But at the very least they should have some baseline numbers figured up. For example, "If classic exceeds our expectation by <insert figure here>, we should probably start seriously considering a set of TBC era servers too..."
That's not to say I think they should be allocating resources to it as we speak. But I think it would be in their best interest to be open to the idea, and perhaps drawing up a road map should the eventuality come to pass that they decide to go forward with the idea.
I think that converting Classic to the modern framework will put them in prime position to do so again with TBC if they ever decide to. To me, that makes it purely a numbers game. Since they will already have a blueprint for the technical piece, it all comes down to customer demand. That requires nothing but time and patience on their (and frankly, our) part.
08/31/2018 09:39 AMPosted by CashorcheckYES!!! BC all the way. Right up until they started nerfing pve because of arenas.
I loved BC so much. Very, very happy to have Classic coming down the pike, though. Adding BC as an option at some point is just the gravy on the cake. Pure cake gravy!
I predict BC will happen; again as I said about Classic a year ago; its not a matter of IF but a matter of when.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20758666287?page=42#post-833
The chimps in the general forums argued against me; they were always wrong.
I even told them it would have its own development team before blizzard announced it, and yet they were hell bent on preventing the vanilla..
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749678358?page=441#post-8815
There will be Vanilla, and with vanilla the natural progression is TBC, and as you can see I have been in favor of Legacy realms since before this project was announced.
If you search WAY back in my post history; some may not even exist any more, you will find support as far back as 2008