That’s the point. Why would u run a warrior. Rogue tank is better as well. They bring disarm, occ, Seb, better avoidance and mit than warrior. Rn warrior is the only tank that is unable to go past boss 5 on SE they literally cannot tank council.
7 tanks are currently logged with a council kill on 20 man, 2 of them are warriors, 2 of them are Pally’s, 1 shaman, 1 rogue, 1 warlock at the top. Why are you consistently bashing prot warriors with false statements and no explanation other than they don’t bring Imp shout?
Let’s take a look at 40 man logs, I know you don’t care about those because it’s 40 man but for those reading who’d like to know, 202 logged tanks killed council, 40 of them were warriors
Then I guess warrior is fine and needs no buffs. If they doing council then this list is worthless. No buffs to prot warrior needed clearly
It’s just odd that you’ve been spewing false information on warriors not being able to do certain encounters and it was evident in logs. It’s almost like you assumed no one would actually check against your statements. Although I have to appreciate your efforts in bringing to light that prot warriors are stuck going impale to stay relevant and cant spec into Imp shout.
Speak of the devil, they just buffed warriors, 10% extra reduction while in defensive stance. Tclap buff changes as well.
I don’t see btribe ripbozo or fas running a warrior and in just regurgitating their talking points on why they don’t run a warrior. But if clearly the top 3 guilds are wrong and warrior is op AF rn according to you
Putting words in my mouth isn’t going to win your original argument that warriors can’t tank council.
I mean looking at logs none of the warriors in 20 man tank council pre nerfs or are even on herod. So yes the server first guilds that cleared pre nerfs literally couldn’t use a warrior because he couldn’t tank council. And even post nerf they can’t hold herod like rogues,warlocks, and shammy can
You have zero info or reason why a warrior can’t or was used to hold Herod. Prot warriors are a very underrepresented class. The top guild doesnt run one for various reasons, one main being theress new viability to tanks in SoD. Surely you’d see that right? If a game releases with new flavors you’re going to try them out no? Isn’t that why you were playing a warlock tank? You’ll argue that’s not on the table though.
There’s literally no extra CD that a pally has that a warrior has, plus last stand. Your claims are still biased towards your own class and other flavors of the season. Unless there’s a debuff on Herod called “Warrior takes 50% more damage” I’m not seeing.
Top end guild don’t take classes because they are fun lmao. They take what’s best. I play lock because lock+bear is very strong, we even rotate in a shammy or rogue tank when the fight calls for it. Warrior is poop as a tank. Doesn’t bring imp shout doesn’t bring armor pen. Takes up a high value DPS slot in the group they’re in because they require another warrior. No magic defensive lack of AOE threat lack of avoidance. In every world why would I not run a shaman and bring imp totems through him or a bear and bring pack. Both options are just straight better than war. If there is a super high physical dmg boss like herod for example. We will just have a rogue hold him since they’re the best at that, and apply iea, Seb, and occult poison to him. Warriors are kinda just balls of armor that hold a mob. They have no raid utility and no avoidance which is op AF in sod. I don’t recall a single fight in AQ/naxx in which warrior was the best tank for. If there is also a better option that also brings better raid utility then why not use that?
What? They have the strongest cooldown in the game lol. Shield wall is 75% damage reduction on all damage, not just physical. Shield block inherently let’s us block all attacks when tanking a boss, another rallying cry for your raid, vigilance for your other tank is another 3% damage reduction. Bears have a weak shield wall that doesnt block magic, so youre trading mitigation for leader if the pack, and before you say it at this point of the game pallys and warriors are close to armor cap. Rogues are lacking in this raid because of the dodge debuff, literally all rogue tanks are complaining about this. Idk anything about warlock tanks except I hear they also lack in defensives, they look like bears with a better magic defensive. You just keep waving Imp shout and that’s about all you got. I appreciate you bringing that to light because that’s one thing I can fully agree on you with.
No i dont think warriors are supreme, but in naxx I’ve saved wipes on Loaetheb and other bosses with just Last stand 6 piece alone, so to say they’re completely useless in AQ/naxx is asinine. You’ve clearly never played with a prot warrior.
Prot warrior is useless in naxx. The 6pc was irrelevant post seal 5 on hm4. To think warrior is even close to top tier tank is laughable. It’s clear from your responses that you have 0 concept of tank balance. When I see the top guilds swap to warrior and Kenneth/asch say anything other than “Prot warrior lmao” then I’ll start to think they are good. If ur a for fun player they can definitely clear content no one is saying they can’t, but no one ran a warrior for naxx prog sub seal 4 hm4. Same with AQ week 1 none of the top 3 guilds rank a Prot warrior. SE the only guild to clear day 1 btribe didn’t run a Prot warrior and their raid lead says they never will take Prot warrior because in ever fight where they are strong either rogue or bear is better. When I see btribe, fas, ripbozo run Prot warrior and their raid leads not laugh at Prot warrior I’ll change my mind. Prot needs buffs not nerfs like this thread was originally about. Idky ur advocating for them to be nerfed ur crazy.
To say prot warrior isn’t competitive is laughable, Ive countered more than half your arguments and you only respond and can win with the Imp shout argument.
You’re comparing tank balance to raid utility when you just fought about damage mitigation. Anytime a rebuttal is made, you fork to another topic of tank specifics. I never said prot warriors are top tier, please qoute me if I did and I’ll correct myself. Please point out what made prot warriors “Useless” I’m naxx. I find plenty use when running naxx in my hosted pug runs. I’ve been tanking and playing this game for 10+ years.
How did you formulate I have zero concept of tank balance? YOU have been pandering these forums for the past couple of days bashing in prot warrior players and saying they bring zero value to a raid. You’re trolling right?
You’re talking to someone who sees value in every tank, I bring anyone who has a skill to play the class they feel comfortable with, i dont go LOL WARRIORS CANT TANK!? IM NOT BRINGING THEM. I’m just specifically pointing out your hypocritical comments on prot warriors. Nice try trying to 180 though. The topic was on track, you came in and started spewing nonsense about how irrelevant they are when they aren’t. It’s just very strange how much hatred you have against a specific class.
Then again you’re casual right? That’s what you said. So why are you being so critical bringing prot warriors?
Ill admit I was wrong for coming at you sideways when you admit you over exaggerated prot warriors being useless, one dimensional tanks.
Warrior is completely fine at any level below the top. Go ask Kenneth or asch the raid leaders of ripbozo and btribe. Warrior isn’t a competitive tank at the top. Im no longer responding to this conversation since you could just go into a discord and ping them and ask why warrior isnt ever run in any of their server first runs. They will bring up the points I did. Don’t be upset that the top end guilds don’t run warrior for the reasons I’ve brought up. If ur not trying to push server first then there isn’t anything wrong with warrior. However to say warrior is top tier and run for server is silly since logs say otherwise. If u post me the server first runs of any of the 60 raids with a warrior I’ll say I’m wrong, but I checked and not one has a warrior. I asked the 2 top raid leads why they don’t run a warrior. They said exactly what I told you.
This is your problem, and it manifests itself daily on these forums as you endlessly troll and harass people, behave toxically and just generally embarrass yourself repeatedly.
Your problem is you are not a for fun player.
I’m having fun rn. Why aren’t you? Also you don’t even play the game. You didn’t even clear naxx. I personally don’t see the fun in grey parsing as a hunter going only 5/15 in naxx. But if that’s what u find fun go for it.
I have 10 toons in Naxx gear and am currently 5/8 SE on my rogue tank. Not all runs are logged and not every toon is a winner or runs in a good pug, but I have fun, my friend.
Again, rather than taking someone’s earnest criticism of the fact that you clearly have problems (according to your post/comment history in these forums) and stepping back to examine yourself, you go running to WCLogs looking for an excuse to cut someone down.
Focus on your toxicity and why you act so miserably, and you will be a happier person. Trust me.
TPS is meaningless, if you are managing to hold threat from DPS that’s all that matters.
The point of this post was crying warrior should be nerfed. Take your own advice and read the post. As I explained to the other guy. Warrior at the very top end is almost never run, and that they maybe strong for middle to lower end groups and that’s fine, but not a reason to nerf them. If 0 world first racing guilds are running a warrior because of what I said above and those were just regurgitated points from Kenneth and asch. The raid leads for btribe and ripbozo the top eu and top na guild. Then warrior probably doesn’t need nerfs. Maybe you should of read the whole post and worried about urself Mr toxic boy.