Buff Paladins

[Lightbwithu-crusader-strike]

nah you can, it just breaks whenever you press a button lol

[ßurning-crusader-strike]

make it so that when a pally uses bubble and then melees there bubble is done bubble is a defeinsve thats being used as an offense.

When pallys bubble they cant be slowed but they can still attack thats broken.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

@Frederica-crusader-strike

It’s a uniquely powerful ability, look at how angry people got at Priest’s dispersion which was basically a much weaker version of bubble (Only blocked most damage as oppose to all and didn’t make them immune to crowd control) and it was enough to get shadow priest’s nerfed despite having mid damage compared to the other DPS’s

Void Plague was what got that nerfed, not dispersion. Void Plague’s damage has been out of control for a long time. Regardless, all classes have “uniquely powerful” abilities, that’s what makes Classic the game everyone likes to flock to.

@ßurning-crusader-strike

make it so that when a pally uses bubble and then melees there bubble is done bubble is a defeinsve thats being used as an offense.

That would make bubble completely unusable for two specs of paladin and untouched for healing paladins. If you really have a problem with bubble, it needs to add a damage penalty for the duration. The entire design is that you can still do damage just slower with reduced attack speed. Now that paladins have a lot more instant attacks it makes more sense.

@ßurning-crusader-strike

When pallys bubble they cant be slowed but they can still attack thats broken.

But they can’t stop YOU from moving either unless they also want to burn their 1 minute cd stun. There is still counter play built into that. Lots of things are “broken”

[Nyhver-whitemane]

If you really have a problem with bubble, it needs to add a damage penalty for the duration.

'thing is about people complaining about bubble, too, nerfing dmg % like in wotlk(?) makes sense to balance it, but SoD pvp is weird now and if you want to nerf pally dmg in bubble you should compensate other ways like giving them dmg that other classes have when being purge spammed- oh wait, what’s that I hear, crickets? Thought so. I think people clamoring for DS nerfs in way of healing, dmg reduction or bubble dispels like shattering throw really ignore how it destroys a core part of paladin’s strengths and gives no appropriate compensation, that bubble is a huge reason why holy paladins had pvp legitimacy to begin with, and ret or prot has some niche but very useful pvp/pve things.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

@Nyhver-whitemane

'thing is about people complaining about bubble, too, nerfing dmg % like in wotlk(?) makes sense to balance it, but SoD pvp is weird now and if you want to nerf pally dmg in bubble you should compensate other ways like giving them dmg that other classes have when being purge spammed

I addressed that in an earlier comment, that if anything happens to nerf bubble, paladins will need to gain in other places.

[ßurning-crusader-strike]

@Amideus-dunemaul

That would make bubble completely unusable for two specs of paladin

it would make it a true defensive for PvP bubble and heal yourself. thats 100% useful!!!

[Blastwave-grobbulus]

Put a snare on Judgement.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Sigemund-pagle]

I still find it amazing how people will still point to a 4% uptime ability as something to complain about compared with specs which have 100% uptime power that even complete smoothbrains can pick up and do well with.

That being said, paladins are fine. Ret has good burst potential with twisting + double judge but that actually takes skill to pull off consistently, something you won’t see most paladins pulling off. This gives them a proper skill curve as opposed to certain other specs.

[Ryuuguu-lone-wolf]

Paladins are complete garbage pvp except for bubble.

[Cornbred-crusader-strike]

Something needs to be done. Alliance is suffering against massive imbalance

[Alainne-wild-growth]

buff prot/holy. nerf ret

[Scdrakefire-grobbulus]

Its a 5 min cd, most of the other abilities mentioned are on shorted cds and able be used every fight or in the instance of multiple other strong abilities(priest aoe fear) multiple times within a single fight. The 5 min cd is the balance for the strength of the ability(lay on hands even moreso with its 1 hour once every third bg cd) so if we could stop using these two abilities as justification for wanting to make ret completely useless in pvp thatd be great(on that note we are ok this phase now that they gave us a gap closer so ranged cant just dot us walk away and laugh as we had no real counterplay except exorcism or a stun on a 1 min cd

[ßurning-crusader-strike]

making pallys unable to attack while bubbled is great your immune to damage and CC while being able to do massive damage blizz took away hunters frost trap launcher and it has done NOTHING in PvP but has was a massive nerf in PvE

[Nyhver-whitemane]

pallies get damaged in bubble by baelfire bolt so its not immune to everything

frost trap launcher was huge in PvP

[ßurning-crusader-strike]

it has more of a impact on PvE then it does in PvP

[Amideus-dunemaul]

This is a joke right? You are joking right? Someone get this man a comedy award.

[ßurning-crusader-strike]

Lol todays AV update has impacted PvP more then then removing frost trap from launcher.

The fact that we dont have it in PvE has had a bigger impact on hunters since we now have to move more and the class is designed to stand still to put out dps because of sniper training rune.

[Grainbin-atiesh]

LOL these ret pallys never seize to amaze me, yea lets buff the most broken class right now

[Blastwave-grobbulus]

Buff Holy. Its still rough healing in pvp. FoL cant keep up with the damage meta.