AOE damage is not a problem for the class, on huntsman and mythic + trash we do fine. In BFA we were top damage so people brought us because we were top damage, right now we do mediocre single target damage and bring no utility (and no mobility and darkness are not good utility).
As a tank in mythic+ if I am going to bring melee I choose rogue or death knights. Death knights bring anti magic zone for prideful, battle res, and insane damage. Rogues bring excellent single target damage and a skip which is huge.
A fair number of the people here could quite easily do a better job than whoever they have in charge. Personally, Iâd do it for less money than whatever they are being paid.
Buff havoc ST DPS blows my mind how terrible it is especially since we only have 1 DPS spec. I know people say that other classes are below havoc but all of those classes can just change spec and preform better than havoc. if your havoc u cant change spec unless u go tank and most raid groups have a tank already soo you have to reroll. AND NO REROLL IS NOT THE SAME AS CHANGING SPEC because all ur progress and gear counts when u change spec but when u reroll you have to level up and gear up all over again plz and thank you
lets hope for a better time on chaos strike
This would be massively helpful.
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I just bailed on my raid due to the numbers we cannot produce anymore, now I have to level another toon just to raidâŠ
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Rogue and DK almost always have a good dps spec, regardless of the content youâre running. Hunter is a solid choice if you like ranged. Iâm staying DH, though. I hate switching mains. Iâve only done it once, from rogue (started in vanilla) to DH during the early days of BfA.
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Chaos strike outside of demon form in particular does very little for taking a huge chunk of our fury bar
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Thread start dec,20th, reminder everyday and still bottom of the charts.
How many more months will blizzard leave this class in the dumpster ?
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Theyâve left classes in the dumpster for entire expansions before, so⊠Never a question to ask lightly. Itâd be a lot less of an issue if we had a 2nd dps spec. But we donât. So⊠Good job, Blizz. /sarcasm
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Who cares about a second dps spec, try fixing the one you have first. Dumpster class.
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i speak for this from the pvp side.
why are warriors and enhance getting buffed L:OL?!
why havent any significant changes been made to dh after 4 months? im legitimately wondering at this point.
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I donât, but you kind of missed my point.
If we only have 1 dps spec, that dps spec needs to be competitive, not trash. Right now in most content it is absolutely not competitive in most content.
This is in contrast to, oh, say, a rogue, which has 3 specs. One of those 3 specs is always competitive at something (either combat/outlaw or assassin has always been good in pve, and sub has almost always been good at pvp), making rogues a viable dps class. Same goes for hunters, mages, warlocks, warriors, and shamans.
An absolutely asinine comment Iâve heard a lot recently is âvengeance is strong, so havoc doesnât need to be.â Great. So why should I be punished for wanting to play dps instead of tank? I shouldnât have to switch classes in order to play my preferred role every expansion, and neither should anyone else. There used to be the idea of âbring the player, not the class,â but Ion, in his extremely limited wisdom, does not want proper class balance. And yes, class balance is possible. Iâve seen it in other games. WoW even did a decent job at it once upon a time.
My fading hope is that weâll still see some havoc improvements in 9.0.5. That hope is quickly fading, though.
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Iâm leveling a ret pally. Still playing DH a bit, mostly vengeance so I can survive, then switch and level.
Why would your guild request you to be DH if it is performing so badly?
+5% magic debuff. Itâs pretty much all havoc brings to the table right now.
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I am new to the issue, why is DH performing so badly? just low dmg?
In PVE, it has the worst single target damage of any class. Combine that with our defense being gutted to absolute crap and the ridiculous anti-melee mechanics of CN (Looking at you, Sludgefist), havoc kind of a liability to have in raids. About the only decent thing havoc does right now is M+, and even then havoc is very meh.
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DH does mediocre damage and is lowest single target damage of any DPS. It has no real PvP utility to offer and all of itâs CC is paired with Rogues which greatly limits their options for arena comps. In PvE, they really only offer a magic damage debuff which is why people are willing to take the class, but if not for that theyâd offer nothing meaningful to PvE either. Fortunately Vengeance is one of the more powerful tanking specs in PVE and is probably the strongest flag runner in PvP which at least gives DH players an option. Unfortunately DH tanking is probably the most mindless exercise in existence so itâs not very fun, and they are the lowest damage tank in the game so itâs not a very rewarding/fun experience in PvP.