Anyone justifying that this is an okay approach (the “enhanced” boost) is really why we can’t have nice things. This trend is a very slippery slope. Ship when it’s done? Gameplay above all else? Them days are gone and it is a stark difference of what we have today.
We said tendies are neat but we knew where they were going. Same here. Want your mythic rewards? Blizz is tired of boosting communities getting that bread and have decided they’re in on it too. Just wait - it’s coming and you’ll just need an “enhanced” skip to get yours.
I don’t know what game you’re playing, but it’s not wow. Open world content is a joke. I can do it with my eyes close on a naked alt with my monitor turned off. Stop pretending like there is the slightest amount of skill involved.
You have clearly never participated in any challenging content in this game. That’s the only possible way you could try and claim that mythic raiding or elite pvp are even on the same plane of existence as open world content.
It’s like saying “I watched a t-ball game on TV once, that’s the same as playing for the Yankees”
So apparently it’s better to sit out expansions now until near the end and just get everything handed to you. M’kay, I’ll remember that for the next expansion.
Is it a stretch when Blizzard themselves are pushing for world content, through Delves, to match end game content in other areas? But how can we trust Blizzard, the company that you shill for daily while arguing with people nonstop on these forums.
Do you even understand that the devs probably hate these boosts? Have you ever heard them actually talk about this stuff? These sorts of things undermine hundreds and thousands of hours of work that they put into the game… and here you are mindlessly shilling for something that they probably despise…
Another person that doesn’t actually know what Pay-2-Win is, what a shocker…
Pay-2-Win means that someone can exchange IRL cash for overt player power not available to non-paying players.
A) It gives you a level 70 Character, okay How is that pay-2-win? Last I checked you can hit 70 without a boost, so that is not an overt advantage over people that didn’t use the boost. lvl 70 is not locked behind a pay wall for non-boosting players.
B) Ilvl 424 Gear, how is that P2W? Is 424 locked behind a pay wall & can you not achieve this in game? That gear is instantly replaced by the gear in the Emerald Dream, RANDOM QUEST GEAR, so no not P2W.
C) Boosts the original 4 Reps to 20 each…How is that P2W? Can you not get your reps there without paying IRL Cash? Furthermore the gear that the reps give are worse than the gear you get with the boost, so that can’t be the reason. Other than that you just get access to cosmetic items & profession blueprints/skill books & if you haven’t started your professions by now it’s not really worth trying to get into until TWW comes out. This doesn’t give any Niffem Rep or Dream Rep…so it’s just the base 4.
D) You are complaining about something that once TWW drops means nothing as rep becomes account-bound…so by that point the boost will be behind significantly.
This is not P2W, there’s no power given that a normal player couldn’t get on their own & even with what is given it doesn’t give you the overt skills to beat out a veteran player in M+/Raid/PvP. I’ve seen people with lower ilvls out preform people with higher ilvls, skill still trumps gear. P2W would be if Blizz gave boost players a sword that auto 1 hits all Mythic Raid Bosses at the current tier & no non-boosting players can get this sword…that would be P2W, that is overt power for cash that cannot be achieved in game. The boost is no-where near P2W.
it was a very beneficial boost. gave me slither drake automatically and reps up to… a certain amount… was substantial.
does this mean the reps in df where so bad they didnt want us to experience it?
Players buying this boost aren’t winning anything. There is no player power that they are purchasing that puts them at an advantage over another player.
If they’re going to make rep somewhat meaningless like this, then at least greatly boost the rate non-paying players obtain it for actually playing the game.
This is interesting, because I have a strong feeling that you don’t actually understand how pay-to-win works. P2W can be bought power (any level), content skips (any amount or progression), easements (content skips, rare materials acquisition, gear acquisition).
I have the flu and I don’t want to go point for point how you’re wrong, suffice it to say every point you’ve made is wrong.
Eh, screw it, here’s a few.
Bypassing the leveling process. This gives a specific time advantage over people that don’t pay, albeit not a great advantage anymore.
This is wrong, the “RANDOM QUEST GEAR” is neither random nor an upgrade over 424. Quest gear starts at 417 and catch up BoE starts at 405.
You’re bypassing a huge time investment, this is the very definition of P2W.
According to Blizzard the Niffen rep is included.
The rep still has to be acquired, so the skip is still just as viable. And, when TWW comes out, guess what, there’s going to be another purchasable skip to skip even more content.
Who cares? That’s not what P2W is. In those crappy mobile games where you’d build castles or towns, everyone has access to the end game content, but if you want to speed up the process you buy premium currencies. This is the same logic. You bypass a pain point using real world money… this is P2W.
This isn’t even up for debate, this is the worlds understanding of how P2W works, you simply disagree for some reason.
I wonder how many of the people claiming to be disgusted by this have or are planning to cancel their subscriptions and quit the game in protest. I bet the total number is something less than one.
Nope this is the idiots understanding of P2W, because people throw it literally everything. Throwing P2W at something because you don’t like it doesn’t make it P2W. You mention the Catchup gear is 405…really so entering the dream the gear you got was 405? Why do I think you’ve not actually played recently? Explorer Goes from 415-437…that doesn’t sound like 405…Adventurer goes from 428-450 still above 405, Veteran 441 - 463, Champion 457 - 476, Hero 467 - 483, Myth 480-489…So where is that 405 Catch-up gear again…oh that’s right it’s back 2 patches ago…why are you using 2 patch old gear as the catch up when you can get better gear from random WQs? Tell me you stopped playing back around 10.1.5 without telling me you stopped playing around 10.1.5. Not to mention to get the Flight stones to level the Explorer Gear doesn’t take long if you do this weird thing, PLAY THE GAME. You can replace that EVIL 424 gear in a damn hour & yet it’s impossible to do cause all the catch-up is only 405. Lets see all the EVIL Skips you get & EVIL things you can get with REP 20 in the base 4 Oh from the Dragonscale Expedition I can get mostly Cometics & ohh what’s this 367 ilvl gear how SINISTER how EVIL…how useless…I can also get Worthy Ally 2…which I already have since my main is above this…Same thing with the other 3, mostly cosmetics & worthless gear that is in no way useful anymore…Now you were right I was wrong, they do give you 12 ranks of Niffen Rep…which also me to…Barter with Boulders…oh the Humanity if only there wasn’t a weekly 1000 rep quest for their reputation…oh wait there is. Hell my main was to 12 within a short period of time. P2W ACTUAL P2W is the ability to obtain player power in a way no other player can…wanna know something…there could be 10,000 new fresh lvl 70’s tomorrow from brand new players who have never played before…and all of them would get their backsides handed to them by veteran players because the boost doesn’t buy the skill to ACTUALLY PLAY THE DAMN CLASS.
They’re winning the Reputation without earning it in game.
Which is end game progress, and that rep is still needed for some professions in Amirdrassil even.
False it gives you rank 12 Niffen.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. DF already has account wide rep progress for rewards across all of your characters.
My point is that it takes WORK and TIME to get the rep up to get those cosmetics rewards. This is the same equivalent as giving away Heroic or Mythic Raid Mog appearances in the boost. Because there is 0 power tied to just the appearance.
4 of them giving you an account Rep increase by a large margin up to lvl.20 on all other toons, one of them is the same thing but to rank 10.
If I were to play the game, and not focus on or really touch the reps, since I don’t have the ability to play daily, as most don’t. There is a decent chance that I would not be at rank 20 with the 4 main factions let alone 12 with Loam.
You are literally getting THAT with the boost, that a player who doesn’t pay would not get.
Which it’s not even like it’s a level boosting issue here. Renown/Rep has always been END GAME content for the Overworld since Vanilla. To just dish it out with the “enhanced boost” is insane.
And if it’s not an End Game Progession system, then why have Renown or Reputation still even be a thin in WoW, if it’s so trivial?
Most of these rewards for hitting the higher caps are cosmetics, yes. But it’s the same thing with Mythic Raiding. You don’t really need to worry about ilvl anymore if you’re doing the Mythic raid, the incentive there is mainly for the Transmog or Mount drops.
Which DF reps do give mount drop customizations, some of which fully change how the mount looks.
