"Bring me the Head of Jaina Proudmoore" - Talanji

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Eh, it’ll likely be swept under the rug as we move into the “forced to cooperate” part of the expansion. Tyrande apparently already got her revenge, and Talanji will be over the death of her father. Because reasons.

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  • Join militant country that has just started a war.
  • Country they attacked brings the war to you.
  • Thought war was all fun and games but now?
  • Tfw war is actually bad and your dad died because of it.
    :sob: :dizzy_face:

Like most things with this story, I struggle to care what the characters think and do because they’re all unrelatably, unfathomably, stupid.

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I mean at this point jaina is just confusing. She is more dangerous to the alliance than she ever could be to the horde. Gen Is more like a super racist grandparent,you love him and he has a wealth of wisdom that comes with age, but at the same time his beliefs on race relations are um regressive

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Jaina’s slowly but surely becoming a worse version of Thrall. I’m legitimately baffled why they have to have her in the spotlight for all the currently planned 8.2 content (Nazjatar and the Baine sceneario), but here we are. At least Thrall never oscillated between trying to help or murder the Alliance PC seemingly on a whim.

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My favorite Story Forums couple are at it again in this thread <3 I hope I’m not being too forward, but I might suggest they get a room if they take this too much farther.

As for me, I’m on Deathisfinal’s side of this particular spat. Talanji is one of the few characters who actually has a solid reason for hating and wanting to fight the Alliance.

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Not sure what you mean.
She literally saved the alliance from defeat agaisnt the horde like 3 times in this expansion alone.

to defeat azshara, of course who will destroy her fleet.

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whos talanji?

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Are you a carpenter?
Because you hit that nail on the head.

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Would be hard for Talanji to not believe Baine would aid Jaina when he admits to it:

    Baine Bloodhoof: I returned Derek Proudmoore to his family.

Sylvanas never actually brings up any Horde soldiers being killed when she has Baine arrested. She only brings up Derek being returned to the Proudmoores as the crime.

Technically Jaina’s first name is never mentioned during the arrest, but if Talanji doesn’t connect returning Derek to his family with aiding Jaina when she says “Baine Bloodhoof has shown honor and respect to de Zandalari. He must be given a chance to face his accusers and answer for dis supposed crime” she might never actually piece that together.

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she will probably be more upset that the rest of her legendary fleet is gone

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She’ll no doubt calling for his head as well.

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I’m more curious to see her reaction when she learns about who Sylvanas REALLY is. How her people and father have died in support of murderous, despot; who leads through lies and deception.

The Horde she wanted to ally with and the Horde she ended up allying with are two very different factions.

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This is MoP 2.0, Sylvanas will be get the sole blame for everything bad within the Horde and the faction conflict combined. The Alliance will wag its finger and threaten the Horde, the Horde will not do anything substantial until its time for them to demolish another Alliance capital and kill more Horde soldiers. Rinse Repeat, there’s no curiosity in the MoP 2.0 stakeholders.

However Talanji’s reaction to Baine presents a new dynamic outside of MoP 2.0.

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You think the Zandalri and Quel’dorei built our empires based on peace, hugs, and good will with the neighbors. Wars to expand territory getting messy isn’t a thing the Zandalri are foreign to both on the giving and receiving end.

Let alone Zandalri are the Highborne of Trolls, meaning like us they have a superiority complex when it comes to other races mattering.

As for the thread, probably swept under the rug, but it really shouldn’t be.

When push came to shove it wasn’t Baine rallying soldiers to push the Alliance out of Zuldazar it was the Forsaken and Darkspear commanders.

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The Zandalari? Yeah, pretty much. Other than the Old god problem, everything was pretty good for them.

The Quel’dorei? The Amani trolls weren’t giving them much of an option so they HAD to fight. Unlike the Horde, whom the Alliance was offering their hand in peace to.

But the thing the Zandalari and Quel’dorei had in common is that they were up against uncompromising foes, in the current conflict the Horde is not only the faction that started the war but has also committed some pretty heinous crimes along the way.

I’m pretty sure as a young girl who looked up to Vol’jin for stopping the warmongering of Zul, I’m fairly certain Talanji doesn’t care to much for waging war.

Except with Talanji as their queen, that’s no longer their way of thinking. She opened their eyes to the real world, that even a great nation like theirs needs allies to survive in an ever changing world, so she sought out the Horde. That’s the entire point of her arc, to show her people that they need allies to help their kingdom prosper.

I said nothing about Baine, I’m just saying that Talanji is not a cold and pragmatic leader. She respects the nobility and strength of the Horde, which is why she sought them out in the first place. She admired Vol’jin, and the Darkspear, for standing against Zul in his quest for Troll dominance of the world.

As for the Forsaken, Talanji is still young, there’s clearly alot she doesn’t know about her mysterious benefactors.(or at least the ones she’s currently working with) She has no knowledge of their cruel ways, of their previous history with the Horde, the incidents they were involved in. Most of that stuff would at least get a character like Talanji to raise an eyebrow.

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I mean … all of the Horde ARs are coming to terms with that reality; Talanji and Geya’rah are just behind the curb (and regardless if she is enraged by Baine, the truth is her father died because Sylvie intended to use her people as a tool for her games). If you don’t think she’ll come to that horrifying realization at some point very soon … not sure what to tell you. Her people (her Father) were mere extensions of Sylvie’s “Bulwark Against the Infinite”; just like Derek, just like the Horde.

One of the more interesting elements of the AR quests is that: A) Every Horde AR joined due to misconceptions of what the Horde IS under Sylvie, due to cultural similarities they had with a single Horde race; B) Each AR rep states specific traits the Horde once had that drew them to the faction (each of them different), while Sylvie herself responds to those traits by prioritizing “Subservience”; “Control”; and “Blind Loyalty”. The exception of this was Talanji, who was drawn to the traits of “Autonomy” and “Equality” … which (despite her calm demeanor) I doubt Sylvie was a fan of.

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That’s…surprisingly accurate.

You’re not going to debate me on how I’m wrong and that Talanji will be perfectly fine working with a person like that, just because the Alliance killed her dad.

I mean, I’d say it would pretty mixed at best.

On one hand, Baine helped her fathers’ killer and is friends with her. Which is the point you’re making.

But on the other hand, the Horde’s Warchief orchestrated a genocide upon Alliance civilians escalating a war in which her people got entangled and lead to her fathers’ death. Not to mention all the nasty stuff Sylvanas has done in the past.

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I mean… you realize this is a pretty substantial thing and not something you dismiss with a ‘just because’. That Blizzard doesn’t really give any time to the fact - no giving Horde characters sympathetic grief, oh no - doesn’t change the fact that having your parent killed by an invading force would, in most any circumstances, lead to a long-held grudge. It wouldn’t at all be out of the ordinary for her to make an alliance with someone she doesn’t fully trust to have a chance at that revenge.

Don’t be blinded by Blizzard’s railroad narrative. Talanji should, by the right of any person who’s lost a parent, have ample reason and then some to loathe the Alliance.

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Well that’s exactly what i mean, it’s not as simple as Baine helping her fathers’ killer. He did it because it was the right thing to do, and that the Hordes’ Warchief entangled Talanji in a war that doesn’t benefit her in any way to participate in and have more of her people die for a cause she doesn’t have a reason to care for.

Like if Talanji knew about the things Sylvanas has done, she’d probably consider backing out from the Horde. I mean, we know that when Talanji sought out the Horde, she saw it as a strong, virtuous, faction that fiercely defended its’ allies from their enemies. The Horde as it is now, is none of those things, there is no virtue to be had and the soldiers of the Horde are considered by their own Warchief as expendable and she’d sacrifice them to save her own hide. The Horde as Talanji knew it is gone, and in it’s place is, like she herself said, is earily similar to the very tyranny of her own empires enemy, Zul.

Of course I do, you know me, but the people writing the story are the ones’ saying that Sylvanas has the support of the Horde populace. It’s not me you have to worry about, lol.

Yeah, cuz they were only exposed to the good leaders who represent what the Horde is supposed to be, Liadrin, Rokhan, Baine, and Eitrigg respectively all of whom embody strong morals which drew in the AR’s, not Sylvanas. Most of them seemed to be in for a rude awakening when Baine was arrested with the exception of Geya’rah, who was the deputy of a former warmongerer, so her reaction was not unexpected.

I mean, yeah, when Talanji declared herself and nation to join the Horde as equals, Sylvanas definitely did not like the fact that a leader of the Horde would not submit herself and her people to Sylvanas’s authority giving her more expendables for her use.

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I’m not saying she shouldn’t have a grudge against the Alliance, I’m saying that grief can very easily be turned the other way if she found out the cause she was fighting for wasn’t what she thought it was and the people she was allying with were mass murderers.

A revelation like that could very well cause her to secede from the Horde at the very least and avenge herself upon the Alliance on her own accord.

I’m not, I’m just saying she could and might have reason to loathe Sylvanas as much as she loathes the Alliance, if she learned the truth about the current Horde.

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