They also cemented themselves as vassals of Stormwind, putting the Lion on their flag.
Stormwind is basically the borg. They stripped the Gilneans if their cultural identity with peacemongering.
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At the same time though we run into Worgen souls in Shadowlands. So it doesnât make as much sense for the very fabric of their being, their soul, to be represented as a Worgen in such a case.
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There human form is no more illusion then their worgen form. It is called TWO FORMS for a reason(not one true form, one illusion, this is all your headcanon with nothing to back it up!), both are as real as anything else. They can still retain portions of their human physicality, especially if they have a strong enough control(see Genn)
And it is not, ultimately the worgen curse is a nature curse and it looks like nature prefers for something to remain, well natural. And their human forms is the original ergo natural form.
Or it simply means souls take the form of whatever they looked like when they die. For all we know some of those human looking souls were gilneans with the worgen curse who died while they were in their human form.
Doesnât Lady Vashj say she chose to look like naga instead of an elf in Maldraxxus? Afaik you can choose your soulshape.
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This isnât true, because we kill plenty of cursed creatures and they come back as who they were defined in life. The most immediate example I can think of is an old paladin that was buried near Karazhan during the DK unholy artifact questline. He comes out as a rotted corpse but his spirit is still human. Conversely thereâs a quest off the coast of Blasted Lands where you kill some Worgen ghosts and they convert back to their human form after theyâre released. So itâs just incredibly inconsistent.
I donât think that theyâre both Worgen and Human anymore though. I think the Worgen form overtakes who you used to be. Thereâs a reason why it was labeled so dangerous by the ancient Druids, and thereâs a reason why Humans who want to be Human and not transformed into something else wouldnât want to become a Worgen. Because thereâs literally no downside to being a Worgen whatsoever. Every Human should be converted to being a Worgen because itâs just better in all regards. You get greater speed and greater strength and with the druidic ritual (which, why didnât the old druids use this to begin with instead of banning the pack form altogether?) you get to keep your faculties.
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That only works for Maldraxxus. It doesnât seem to be the case for all afterlives. Itâs literally just an excuse to nostalgiabait, I wouldnât take that claim seriously.
Iâm talking about Worgen aspiring souls found in Bastion. Thereâs also Worgen souls in the Maw. These guys havenât even become intitiate blueberries yet, theyâre waiting on getting their new form.
Thereâs also Forsaken souls in the maw? For some reason? They should just be ordinary Human souls. Inconsistent.
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Or you know we go with the former and that we dont really know what a âsoulâ is suppose to look like that as a visual represntation to us the player because otherwise we wouldnt know he was a worgen.
Also there is still a reason not to be a worgen because you do still tend to end up being on the vicious/likely to be quick to anger side.
And even if a worgen is better then a human(no always the case considering a human player can wipe out packs of worgens) being âbetterâ does not mean you suddenly want to become it. Just ask the gnomes/draenei. Again not everyone of them is clamoring to be a mechagnome/lightforged. Some people do not want to change!
I wonder if that would angryed Genn Greymane. Knowing that his daughter goes away with his Friend/Enemy/Friend againâs daughter. Darius Crowley.
Worgen are, like so many races, doomed to be ignored. Blizzard didnât have time to give lore to all the races even before they added all those allied races.
Unless you are Human, Orc, Night Elf, or Undead (and even this might be restricted to only Sylvanas), the best you can hopeful is occasional mention in someone elseâs lore.
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Attempting to discuss anything with you is honestly just frustrating, itâs like a wall. What is it youâre arguing here? That the soul doesnât actually look like a Worgen, Blizzard just made it look like a Worgen so that players would know that the NPC was a Worgen in life but actually has a human-shaped soul? The answer isnât âTheir soul looks like whatever the being looked like when it diedâ because thereâs multiple examples of this not being the case, I just gave one of an undead paladin having a wholly human spirit once you release it from his form.
Iâm talking about random Worgen NPCs you find in Bastion. The ones that arenât familiar shapes to us are just vaguely humanoid.
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I already said what i am arguing, that the soul takes the shape of whatever you look like when you die as oppose to to any âintrinsicâ shape or form. IE if a worgen in human form suddenly dies(for example by poisoning) they will end up in the shadowlands looking like a human rather then a worgen.
Well, the book on the Eastern kingdoms suggest otherwide: The Bloodfangs managed to take back most of the Silverpines forest as they are now holding Shadowfang keep and Fenris isle - they lost both in Cataclysm following the surrender of Crowley.
Itâs pratically impossible to do that without holding Gilneas first, most likely with Greymane sending support - or else the Bloodfangs would had to suffer constant pincer attacks.
This assumption could explain why Ivar joined the battle of Darkshore: This guy has zero tie with the night elves and has grievances against Darius Crowley.
My best guess is that Gilneas and the Silverpines forest were already taken back before Darkshore and Greymane asked Ivar to return the favor.
Afterward, if Gilneas is habitable again, thatâs another story but back to MoP, Varian Wrynn did say that Gilneas will be cleansed.
SoâŚit means that Gilneas can be inhabited at any time no?
Unfortunatly, if the exerpt of exploring Kalimdor are not corrected in the final release, then we are going back to the Cataclysm era for most parts.
It means that Blizzard is to lazy to update the lore of the old world even in books so having them working on Gilneas is simply impossible.
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Worgen remain worgen when they die. I know you canât imagine your version of the alliance having monster races or any actual flaws, but your soul arguement is beyond insane
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This is what confuses me. We are told that it is blighted beyond repair. Then we see in patch 4.3 a Black Dragon controlling Gilneanâs that reclaimed the city during the legendary rogue chain. Then in MoP it is back to being blighted beyond repair. Yet there is nothing to suggest that between 4.3 and 5.4 the Forsaken launched another invasion into Gilneas.
Why does blizzard put so many things into boxes that contradict each other.
Not to mention that the whole âWorgen parents have regular human babiesâ is kinda silly. Considering that the curse spreads through contact of bodily fluids. One of which has to be blood. Hence why biting turns people into worgen (transfer of infected saliva into the victims blood) or straight up drinking infected blood turns you into a worgen (as seen in Silverpine Cata).
Yet the blood that the fetus gets from the mother while in the womb doesnât carry the curse?
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I see why you are confused, and I can perfectly explain this. Keep in mind, what Iâm about to type is 100% canonical truths, handed down to me by the secret editor cabal ensuring books like Exploring Kalimdor are written to their exacting standards.
Blight is like a really big poop. Sometimes you flush an area clean of Blight, and it tricks you into thinking the Blight is gone! But as soon as you walk away, there it goes floating back to the surface.
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Itâs also the case in Ardenweald. You CAN choose your soulshape after all.
I literally just killed my worgen in human form and guess what his ghost looked like? A human. Again, another proof a soul takes the shape of what it dies in as oppose to some form! Hence why an old human will look like an old human as oppose to a younger version of itself. Or why the forsaken souls look like forsaken as oppose to their human version when they die.
Take that.
P.S. considering I have no qualms about death knight, dark irons or void elves being in the Alliance, you clearly donât know me at all. Heck, I am literally a previously demonic race.
Worgen in lore stay worgen when they die
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I am pretty sure there is no lore stating what happens to a worgen if they die while in human form(no lore stating they would be forced transformed or what their soul will look like). In fact where is you source? Not you headcanon.
Even in death, worgen still retain their lupine form,[15][35][42] something Jarod Shadowsong had not expected.[43] The worgen curse is beyond druidism,[35] and worgen return to worgen form upon death.[42] The worgen curse persists through death into the afterlife, and worgen can return during the Day of the Dead and other cases as worgen ghosts. Worgen appear in the Shadowlands, such as Neena in Maldraxxus.
You loose. End of discussion. You ever get tired of debating me on worgen lore and loosing all the time?
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