Bring her back so the night elves can get proper revenge
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She still has soul searching to do.
The Alliance should invade Oribos and guard the portals to the Maw to make sure Sylvanas does not escape.
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bring sylvanas back to finish the job we started at teldrassil? ok got it no more malfurion.(that was the original purpose for the invasion and burning the tree was the backup)
the alliance cant even hold their cities without the horde destroying them
I love Sylvanas so much for real.
Better idea:
Kill her off. Dread Lord Jaina too.
What i’d really like to see is a cannon return to Teldrassil.
I don’t know where you are getting 1.5. They are a little higher but not that much. They are even closer to Legion numbers. You can always expect some turnover and a few people coming back from earlier but a rather substantial majority are clearly shown by numbers very close to Legion.
And where it says “Historically high churn?” Those numbers are almost the same as the drop off after Legion and BfA.
It’s the same people who became split between two expansions, Classic and SL Retail.
Almost 1.5. Which it is if you actually look at the graph. Even if it’s as “little” as 1.2x it’s still significantly more than during the Legion peak. And more than the BFA peak.
So where did those players come from if the subs dropped and were never at that number?
Please explain.
You suddenly have a spike in subscriptions higher than the launches of 2 previous expansions. Where does it come from? Why weren’t those people subbed earlier and how can it be “the same players” if they clearly weren’t subbed earlier?
How the hell do you not see the issue with this.
You are literally pointing to 2 rocks and claiming it’s actually the same rock.
I am now fully convinced that you’re either pretending to be mentally challenged or you are in fact mentally challenged.
And I was pretty much bang on:
https:// imgur. com/a/f5Nwkvs (remove spaces)
So, 22% more players than BFA launch and 8% more than Legion launch. Where did they come from? Why weren’t they subbed? How were they “the same players” when they clearly weren’t subbed and you do in fact require a subscription (yes, wow token subscriptions count towards this too!) to play the game?
Did “the same players” get counted 1.2 times? Or perhaps 22% more people than the people who bothered with BFA launch actually CAME BACK TO THE GAME after years of inactivity and then stayed for a while?
Guess we’ll never know. They could be the same single person subbed 8 million times for all we know, you absolute braindead cretin.
You are just flat out wrong about that. There is no 1.5, even 1.2 is a stretch. And even if it is 1.2 that means that 83% of the people are the same. Were there some people who got angry and left? Sure. But it wasn’t anything like what people are talking about.
The two expansions split over 80% of the players into two groups and one group went to play Classic while the other went to play SL.
And I notice that you didn’t say a word about my comment on the “Historically high churning” which wasn’t. It was the same as previous releases.
What reason would a Blizzard executive have to lie about their game doing worse than reality?
Also, isn’t this a bad thing for your argument? And was what I was getting at originally when I was saying to remember Classic’s impact on subs. If the playerbase was really split, that means people quit Shadowlands because they found Classic more enjoyable.
Oh so now it’s not all the same players? Insane isn’t it. Glad you finally accepted that.
So, Classic gave the entire WoW ecosystem a 20% boost in subs. That’s 20% extra players coming back SPECIFICALLY for Classic. This is by the way a hilariously bad faith argument but I will roll with it. BFA at that point was at it’s mid-point, and every expansion hits harrowing lows then, BFA included. Therefore more people subbed specifically for Classic launch than re-subbed for whatever BFA was at at that point. But that’s just a comment, we’ll roll with the bad faith argument as it really changes nothing.
So, you get a 20% bump. And then it drops to late BFA numbers despite Classic propping it up, as you can see with the bumps for TBCC launch and WotLKC launch.
And now consider what happens when you do not launch Classic and never get the 20% offset in 2019.
Where do the Shadowlands subs end up then?
I didn’t say a word about that comment because it’s a comment made by an idiot who didn’t actually read the article they use as a crutch and only looked at the pretty pictures.
The quote is from John Hight, the general manager of Warcraft at Blizzard at the time.
You’d know that if you actually like skimmed the article, but I guess the pretty pictures were enough. And you were hilariously wrong about those too.
Try to understand why corporations “say” anything. Everything that corporations do and everything that corporations say is aimed at the bottom line, as long as it doesn’t break the law. It has little to do with what happened or how people actually feel.
Ok so say that you are running a convenience store and older people keep commenting how how they use to go to a General Store when they were kids. Now a convenience store and a General Store are pretty much the same thing with a large overlap in products but a few items are different and the feel is very different.
So say you open a General Store right next to your convenience store. What happens? Well the older people go to the General Store but more important they hardly ever go to your convenience store.
So now you launch an investigation into why revenue is down in the convenience store? What did we do wrong? Why is our store that looks pretty much the same suddenly not getting the same customers?
Well it is because you opened a General Store next door and the older people went there instead. You doubled your costs but your revenue remained the same.
And that’s what happened here only because software can be copied, Classic doesn’t add nearly as much to their costs as in the General Store analogy.
I feel like this further undercuts your argument. If Shadowlands was actually doing well, like you seem to think it was, then Hight would simply say that and show the numbers to prove it.
Try to understand that they are publicly traded and unless they really wanted the investors to pull out for “their bottom line” (which totally doesn’t suffer when investors pull out, Tiffanynomics!) they would NOT claim historically high churn and would NOT show a graph showing steep decline in subs.
Ok so say that you are running a convenience store and older people keep commenting how how they use to go to a General Store when they were kids. Now a convenience store and a General Store are pretty much the same thing with a large overlap in products but a few items are different and the feel is very different.
Let me fix your horribly stupid analogy for you so it’s actually remotely accurate.
You run a convenience store. There’s a bunch of older people NOT GOING TO YOUR STORE AT ALL EVER commenting that there used to be a General Store when they were kids. Now the convenience store and a General Store OFFER A NOTICEABLY DIFFERENT VARIETY OF PRODUCTS WITH SOME BASIC OVERLAP.
So say you open a General Store next to your convenience store. What happens? Well the older people WHO DIDN’T GO TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE IN DECADES go to the General Store and SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT TO YOUR CONVENIENCE STORE NOW COME TO THE GENERAL STORE.
So now you launch an investigation into why REVENUE IS DOWN IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUT THE TOTAL REVENUE FOR BOTH STORES WENT UP. What did we do wrong? Why is our store that looks AND FEELS NOTICEABLY DIFFERENT DESPITE ALSO BEING A STORE AND OFFERING SOME OF THE SAME PRODUCTS suddenly not getting the same customers?
Well it is because THE OLDER PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T SHOP IN YOUR CONVENIENCE STORE FOR DECADES NOW FREQUENT THE GENERAL STORE along with SOME OLDER PEOPLE WHO SHOPPED IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUT SWAPPED TO THE GENERAL STORE BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T LIKE THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUT SAW NO ALTERNATIVE.
There. It’s mostly fixed for accuracy with how it actually works. Can also mix in a niche deli nearby which is closer to the convenience store than the general store in overall offering and feel for extra accuracy.
Why? People were upset over Shadowlands. An echo chamber of the single digit something percent formed an echo chamber making it seem like “the community” was OUT-Raged.
Multi million subscriber YouTube CCs were jumping on the band wagon trash talking the product creating negative advertising that was hurting everything. Why not just stop the bleeding and move on?
PR 101 says if you are on the wrong end of a story, apologize. People in Western cultures, the US in particular, love an apology and once that happens it is no longer profitable for reporters or YuTuCCs make money trash talking the person/product.
The calculation is … say the words and it will go away.
Are they true? … No … Is an apology illegal? … No … Then apologize.
That’s the way corporations operate. Calculate which words are the best for the stock price then spew them as the “corporate line”.
Yeah lol nevermind this can’t be serious
How is not only saying but showing that your product is failing good for the stock price?
Why do you think the Youtube CC’s had any impact if they were pretty provenly convincing the already convinced with absolutely 0 impact on people who do not bother with those content creators because for example they’re too negative?
How does an echo chamber of the single digit something percent cause the WoW ecosystem including Shadowlands to drop nearly half of it’s subs despite Classic propping it up? Was the product perhaps unable to defend itself on it’s merit?
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There are in fact people this desperately stupid in the world.
The average iq is an average so half the population falls below that.