Bring back MASTER LOOT

Okay, I feel like you’re just trying to argue for arguments sake.

You use the statement “get more boss kills” and then “with no boss kills”. But you literally just implied you had at least one boss kill if you’re trying to get “more boss kills”.

Also, if the guild you’re in has only downed 1 boss, then that guild is either bad already or it’s the first week of progression so there will be tons of other guilds who are just starting too and won’t be expecting you to have a ton of boss kills to join their progression.

The “no boss kills” only implies guilds that are have been progressing for a few to several weeks into the raid tier.

So this whole nonsense of feeling like you have to stay in the guild and continue to be taken advantage of just so you look better with another guild is extremely weak.

Ah so this is the thread where it all begin…

well doing my part so you anti titanforging folks get something else done up you go.

(not a very friend of TF but I would pick it 1000000000000000000 times over corruption in 8.3)

Homie, people look at parses for boss kills. Also, how many times you’ve killed a boss.

You can be in a guild that says they’re on farm with current content or mythic or whatever that jazz and they always wipe on a certain boss. This tier I expect most guilds wipe on Xanesh because hitting a ball is really hard for some people.

Also, theres more than one boss in a single raid, and you can have multiple attempts on said bosses. In my honest opinion after you down a boss 3-4 times its farm content.

People will choose getting boss kills over loot. Some guilds used ML had exceptional players, but still exploited ML to get gear for themselves saying various things like " you arent good enough to deserve loot", etc, but would never boot the player due to the turnover rate of players. In return, players would just stay, take the abuse, and get boss kills.

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Sounds like a personal accountability issue. Plenty of guilds are at different stages of progression. There’s literally zero excuses for not getting yourself out of a bad situation. You want to stick in a guild that keeps taking advantage of you, then that’s on you.

But crying to have ML removed from all players because you couldn’t cowboy up is pretty selfish.

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Yeah, it’s selfish of guiilds to exploit master looter the way they do. That’s why it was removed.

I’m not saying PL shouldn’t be an option, i’m saying it should go right back to how it was. We want to use it, you can join or not. Your choice.

To be fair that ball can be pretty buggy. Sometimes i’ll shave Azshara’s legs and not set it off, other times if the wind from the ball passing touches the shadows, BOOM.

Sure. Selfish of them. But they’re not forcing all players in the game to have to have to have master loot like you are. Congrats on being even more selfish than them.

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My bf, the best healer my previous guild had, was forced into letting some dingdong warlock who couldn’t even decide which of her dps she wanted to main have the tier shoulder token.

She switched to her hunter 2 weeks later.

I’m genuinely still mad about this, and it was in SoO.

Every guild should prioritise DPS over healers unless there is a strict healing fight blocking progress.

Source: Master looter+healer every tier so far.

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She was a flaky dps. She was hopping toons every few weeks. Why should we prioritise a character that may not even run with us in a week or two? If it was her main, fine, but why should we gear up her 2 or 3 characters over one stable main?

That’s not my point, the master looter sounds like they didn’t know she was going to reroll. So the ML was doing what any ML should have done unless they had divine gift of seeing into the future. You’re being unreasonable using hindsight.

Oh they did. They very did. She rerolled a LOT, and was never told to pick one, or to gear her alts somewhere else. She was the darling. She was the one that caused ML issues. She could bring whatever she wanted and get upgrades, even if we knew we’d never see that alt again.

Being anti titan forging doesn’t make someone pro corruption.
I don’t like extra layers of RNG on gear… Why would you think I like the extra extra layers that is corruption?

I liken it to this. If someone is slapping me in the face and I ask them to stop. They then start punching me in the face instead.
Just because they stopped slapping me as I asked doesn’t mean I am a fan of the punching or want them to go back to the slapping because it was less bad.
One was terrible and the other was worse. Thankfully it appears both are gone in 9.0.

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Then you were in a poorly run guild. Doesn’t mean ml should be removed. It means the guild should have changed leadership or people should have left. By staying you are saying you are ok with what is happening.

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It sounds like you were in a guild with poor leadership, that’s not a fault of Master Looter. You’re throwing rocks in the wrong direction.

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I meant I the last. Not an issue anymore

Who cares about being selfish? It’s my 15 bucks, get over yourself.

You can! You just can’t distribute other peoples’ loot to your friends.

That’s the problem. Your “friends” not your guild…

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I consider all my guild mates friends.