Not all wins require a sacrifice, but in this case the Forsaken have lost their core identity, this questchain was a baby step in getting it back.
For everything NE there is always a sacrifice. Humans too tbh…
Sounds like an Alliance problem.
Come to the darkside Smallioz, we get rewarded for being evil.
There’s clearly a downside to having the moral highground that results in ongoing victimization. The Horde may struggle with the idea of being “the bad guys” but we are also not constrained by the illusion of morality.
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It is thats my point.
I do play both factions but the Horde story and characters aren’t something I find interesting.
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One thing I really enjoyed from Shadows Rising is the fact that Alleria acknoledges that the biggest hinderance to the Alliance is the illusion of morality.
I think the Alliance should be able to retaliate. I would love for the Alliance to be seen as a faction that gives as much as it takes. but you are right the Alliance is deeply hindered by this idea that they cannot retaliate and they must bear thier sacrifices with bitterness.
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A Broken digital clock shows nothing . It is Literally correct ZERO times a day as it indicates precicely NOTHING. EVER.
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While I don’t necessarily agree that the draenei are evil for continuing to escape, I believe they could have done better.
But Takagath finding them was no accident.
“There is a small world, primitive and insignificant. And I have sensed their peculiar brand of magic Minting the area. It is possible that they may have come and gone. Such, alas, has happened before”
“Many times before, Kil’jaeden’s forces had arrived on some world or other, lured by the sweet essence of eredar magic, only to find that somehow Velen and his wretched followers had gotten wind of the approach and escaped”
-Rise of the Horde
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yeah.
when the orcs are made aware that the legion are demons, they mess them up.
when they aren’t and a demon literally titled ‘The Deceiver’ deceives them, they get mussed up.
They were only an iron age race, after all. compared to the greedy Draenei with their space age technology.
Nope.
Talagath is shocked by how resilient the orcs were. That’s why he mentions them to Kil’jaeden.
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Literally never happens. But I’m honestly tired debating your fan fiction
tellin’ lies like this just destroys your credibility, not mine.
So much fanfiction in this thread I thought I was on fanfiction . net
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“”“fanfiction”“”
ten thousand posts and yet you still cherry pick what you want from the lore to push this false narrative about the orcs… when you are not trying to gas light people about how bad things are on the other side.
You know this is all for the audience of one right? Is anyone actually thinking dread is raising good logical points here?
Like he posts this video like we don’t know in like two patches all these same orcs willingly drink the demon blood and join them anyways… There was a whole raid about it!
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There’s nothing false about what I’ve said. lmao.
the orcs screwed the legion up with goblin tech.
Imagine what they’d have done with the draenei’s space age technology that you yourself regularly state could destroy Orgrimmar?
An evil space faring conquering race. We saw what they did with steampunk iron horde tech… so why would they behave any differently than before?
Until they willingly joined them after knowing everything… why do you lie? it makes no sense…
And you call me a cherry picker. You totally disregarded that they were told that Azeroth intended to kill all of them, just like the Legion. Garrosh had literally just been proven right in the AU orcs’ eyes when Grom refused Gul’dan and killed Mannoroth.
You don’t have any credibility 
And of course, you just had to pick a ALTERNATE VERSION of events, because you got the main timeline events wrong.
Next time, stay on topic and actually read the lore
This is just what Dread does. He comes into every thread, posts his fanfiction version of events and than calls everyone a liar when we tell him what Actually took place and for him to stop using made up events.
Yet he continues to do it everytime he posts here. It’s soo childish I don’t know why we bother to engage with him when he can’t even get the basics right
It just hit me that if Brill was reclaimed then I don’t think Alliance conquered anything at all in the entire Fourth War (do we still call it that?). Alliance only attacked Brill and Dazar’alor on screen. Keeping neither. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
They did retake stromgarde if that counts