Frankly anyone who didn’t have their trust broken by a time travel expansion compounded by dimension hopping followed shortly behind by just doing Mists but worse four years later was setting themselves up for failure.
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::He would look at the Caverns of Time.::
::He would look at Warcrafts 1, 2, 3::
Fair point.
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I should clarify, time traveling but even more dumb than it was done before.
Also reinforced Orcs didn’t need fel corruption to attempt genocide, sadly.
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It actually doesn’t but everyone ignores that Kil’jaeden is already present and Garrosh’s presence had the same effect on the elementals that Kil’jaeden had.
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I could buy demonizing the folks on the other side of the portal, but they decided to have them a good Draenei and Frostwolf purge while they were at it.
They weren’t pretending to enjoy themselves either.
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It isn’t, but when you decide on a whim that a forced perspective story was actually an unreliable narrator story from the very beginning it does raise a lot of concerns. It also makes the audience feel like they were lied to. Hell, Blizzard themselves said that Chronicles doesn’t contain everything and some details were left out either because we have enough secondary sources detailing them, or they were heavily summarized for the same reason (e.g. The War of the Ancients). However those events still happened in the canon. “In general, even if we don’t mention something in chronicle doesn’t mean it isn’t canon. For chronicle we’re just trying to provide a broad strokes view of the history.” - https://twitter.com/Burnzerker/status/775480123596283904. So there was no reason to suddenly make it a “titan biased piece of crap” other than to appease pyromancer.
Blizzard could’ve came up with other reasons why new information was left out of chronicles. Maybe the “writer” of Chronicles didn’t know about those events for example. As stated before, not everything is in the books and that came from one of the main writers of the series. It also doesn’t make sense why a “titan biased” book series would have each of the core cosmologies be equal (all 6 of them have equal sized circles) while having Light and Void as the main ones (as they appear at the top and bottom. They are also the two forces that existed in the very beginning).
It is why I do like this Grimoire book we are getting. We know it is a biased piece of crap from the get go. Same with the exploring Eastern Kingdoms and Kalidmor books as those are written by in-universe characters who would share their own opinions on certain issues and events.
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I remember when the first Chronicles was announced. Many were excited - I was dour. I saw it as a retcon storm meant to erase what ever was inconvenient, and solidify their new narrative - and that it would eventually be retconned itself.
I am a fan of the lore, but the whole Chronicles Project didn’t seem like a fun story that unfurled the lore before me. It seemed like a filthy bandaid that would soon be ripped off and replaced.
Sometimes I wish people were as cynical as me, so i wouldn’t see them so disappointed.
Yeah, Bloodlust is now innate to all Orcs going by Durotan’s story.
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What would Maraad know about Durotan’s adolescence?
Traders talk and I assume seeing a guy wearing a white wolf pelt was bound to get people’s curiousity flowing.
What are we considering corruption here? RotH had the orcs killing before they drunk the blood.
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The difference between Rise of the Horde and Warlords of Draenor, is that the former were manipulated by demons, and the latter were manipulated by technically an orc but one so far removed from then-normal orc context that he qualifies as a third party. And the former were manipulated using an alleged imminent danger from the draenei, and the latter were manipulated using a true imminent danger of the demons presently trying to compromise their race, combined with a nationalistic fervor of the orcs deserving to be on top because of their downtrodden suffering up to that point.
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Orcs being violent and favoring a lot of Might Makes Right to some extent makes sense, especially on Draenor. It’s the tendency towards wanton slaughter/genocide, with or without Mannoroth’s influence, that doesn’t quite jive with what we were led to believe about the uncorrupted orcs in the past (they were rough around the edges and warlike, but the demon blood turned them into a unified slaughtersquad).
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I was under the impression that demons were already present on Draenor and had already persuaded the orcs to form a horde. Garrosh simply turned a potentially demonic horde into the iron horde. Is that wrong? The legion seemed to have done a better at subverting the Dranei in WoD. Or was that just the void influence.
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Garrosh preceded events as normal, but gave Grom knowledge of stuff ahead of time and convinced him to turn down the blood but form the Iron Horde instead.
WoD’s timeline is all kinds of confusing, Blizzard leaned heavily on the ‘just different enough’ thing in order to thinly justify anything.
Originally the Horde formed due to the spirits (specifically Ner’zhuls dead mate/actually Kil’Jaeden) dire warnings against the Draenei.
But that doesn’t seem to have happened since Ner’zhuls mate wasn’t dead, Ner’zhul himself wasn’t overthrown by Gul’dan, and a host of other things.
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Quite the opposite, the short story Hellscream shows that the Legion had made very limited progress in galvanizing the orcs to unite together and attack the draenei. Circumstances deprived them of the respected and charismatic figurehead Ner’zhul who would unwittingly be their mouthpiece at first. Gul’dan is the one the job fell on this time around, and he didn’t command the same loyalty as the world-renowned elder shaman. There’s a reason Gul’dan wasn’t the speechmaker in the original timeline. Hellscream shows that the orc clans are cautious of his claims about the draenei, and tentatively consider him to be a nut jumping at imagined threats when there’s plenty of real threats that need fighting.
Even the circumstances of the blood offering are way different. Rather than the final push given at the eleventh hour to complete the genocide at Shattrath, it seems here to be a relatively unprompted offer of power and servitude. In the comic Gul’dan and the Stranger, he doesn’t even hide the fact that he’s asking them to join an army of demons, he’s just presenting it as a glorious opportunity to gain power for its own sake.
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Thanks for the replies.
Big problem though for me is in the cinematic, they have the Demon gate near completion implying that demons are already amongst them and influencing their actions and organisations. I mean that thing is huge requiring a concerted effort.
The shot of the demon gate is a flash-forward.