Blizzards abandonment of phase 2 will no updates for 3 weeks makes it easier to break away. That said I intend to give ST a try.
Exactly what I said to myself when I seen that post LOLOL.
I wouldnât trust yâall to pick where we order lunch.
and how do you get an accurate vote count when many people have multiple accounts that they could vote on?
Itâs possible, and I hope youâre right. Granted I have been forming my own raids thus far with my friends so I havenât had much experience with the PUG scene.
But if you look at the original classic releases we saw a lot of stacking of the meta classes, leaving the low performance/value classes out of the mix. Granted, there is more balance now so even the lowest performing classes arenât as low value as they were in the past. But, for instance, rogues in PvE in TBC. Youâd take one, maybe (until Glaives)⊠that was a 25 man expansion. Even in 40 mans you did not take many if any of the lowest performing specs commonly, definitely not if you did not previously know them.
The highest performing specs tend to be highly available and easy to find.
I can see this turning out one of two ways⊠it will either be a good thing for puggers if guilds canât get a reliable full 20 every lockout, so there may be a healthy demand for singles⊠or it will completely end pugging due to the challenges of filling full a group of 20 singles.
Pugging is already a crapshoot to clear gnomer because of the overblown mechanics and raid lockouts basically leading to a pug blowing up if anyone vital drops group, because nobody is willing to fill an in-progress run.
20 man is perfectly fine. Ideally raid groups should always be in need of more players to fill spots. This is not to say that raid groups should be absolutely desperate for people to fill spots but enough that we arenât demanding 90+ parsers in content that a group solely filled with grey parsers can clear. Thatâs the problem with 10 mans, not enough spots and if there are spots those spots are reserved for classes that bring a whole bunch of goodies to the table.
I canât wait to bathe in the retail tears when itâs time for the 40 man raids
It sounds like youâre speaking from the perspective of a higher end raider who cares about that sort of thing. Youâre making a lot of definitive statements based on your own lived experiences and personal biases.
Iâm not saying youâre wrong about there being lots of people like you who will try to make the perfect comp for ST and not invite certain classes/specs if they think they wonât perform to their standards.
But what you need to take a step back and understand is that there a LOADS of people who arenât like that. And if thereâs one thing BFD and Gnomer have showed up, SoD raids are not hard enough to REQUIRE meta comps, meaning that there will always be pug groups going that also donât require meta comps.
With Sunken Temple being 20 man, the hundreds of pug groups looking for fills will have to invite anyone with a pulse after a certain point in order to fill the raid.
Theyâre already making MC into a 20 man. I wouldnât put it past them to announce that theyâre making every 40 man into a 20 man, based on the feedback they get for MC.
People will still be looking for the highest parsers when filling a pug, and people are just going to class stack meta classes not take other sub optimal classes, horrible take.
Remember when the community voted for grim rail depot for M+? It ended up
being amazing but it was the troll pick for sure. No one thought it would be as good as it was and the Andies ended up getting mad because they thought they trolled everyone and they failed in the end.
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You keep talking like youâre not playing SoD, Eyr.
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Iâm stoked for 20 mans! Maybe join a guild thatâs already close to filling a 20 man raid?
i get this. but if a player pays 15x 2-10 they have the right to vote more imo theyâre paying for it and that % of players having multiple accounts compared to single account holders is extremely low that in 100k+ votes you wouldnât see a difference
furthermore, someone who pays for 2-10+ accounts likely plays the game 40+ hours a week and they should have a greater opinion than an average player but thats just my opinion
big dawgs gotta eat
Yeah itâs still going to happen to a degree, but thereâs more room now for sub optimal classes, especially ones that donât bring meaningful buffs.
??? then its not an accurate reflection of what the total player base wants. what an asinine way to make game decisions.
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did you forget that i said âmajorityâ ? most actual players have 10x more grasp of whats better for the game than a dev that works for $$ that doesnât even play the game, am i wrong or right? you tell me
take current SoD for example. should this continue?
orâŠ
imagine if we the players made the choices. i think you can agree if we made the choices SoD woulda been way better
More room doesnât mean they get taken to the raid. tough concept I know but people will take the classes that do the most damage to get the raid done faster it doesnât matter if there is more âroomâ for them.
thatâs not a majority if you have the same people voting multiple timesâŠ