Thats a completely different non sequitur, who the real is talking about loyalty?
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HE absolutely is a political denomination since it is the word used to refer to the ex-Quel’Thalas citizens that didn’t take on the new national identity and ended up picking a different political alignment (by going Alliance rather than Horde). The difference between the Quel’dorei and Sin’dorei is purely political and so HE is a political denomination.
And not all HElves (so, Alliance-aligned) are Silver Covenant, e.g. the Highvale of Quel’danil Lodge.
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But BEs and VEs are HEs, so no
There’s HEs that don’t identify as BEs, but that doesn’t mar any of them not be HEs.
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I mean no that’s just plain wrong ?
Alliance-aligned Thalassian Elves identify and refer to themselves as Helves and Velves, Horde-aligned Thalassian Elves identify and refer to themselves as Belves. The only one that sort of blurs the lines is Valeera, who explicitly identifies as a Sin’dorei but refuses the loyalties and political alignment that come with that national identity.
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It’s not.
BEs? High Elves
VEs? High Elves
Silver Covenant? High Elves
Sylvanas? High Elf
Dark Rangers? High Elves
Sanlayn? High Elves
Wretched? High Elves
Arator? Half-High Elf
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The Blood Elf moniker existed before they joined the Horde.
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Sorry but no that’s just not true and not at all what the game and canon sources tell you. The meaning of words changes over time, “High Elf” used to refer to the race as a whole since that race was political united ; post-Scourge it now strictly refers to the Alliance-aligned Thalassian Elves of the Silver Covenant and Quel’danil Lodge. Like… that’s the canon state of things. That’s just how it is.
Yes and it is now the endonym used specifically by the Horde Thalassians (save, again, for the very particular case of Valeera Sanguinar). With that new name came a new national identity with a new political alignment. It was a package deal. Some embraced it, some refused it. Those who refused it are what we now call the High Elves.
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I am not quite sure why people are still so fixated on fel gems and crystals. Kael’thas who was ruler of ALL Thalassian elves, sent those crystals from Outland so his people would not die of hungerl. Majority of the population, outside of the ruling elite, did not even know the true nature of those crystals or that prolonged exposure would alter them, such as turning their eyes green.
By the end of TBC, the Sin’dorei had already abandoned the use of fel crystals. The entire narrative purpose of the Sunwell Plateau raid was to demonstrate that the Sin’dorei no longer depended on fel sources of power and that their font of magic had been restored.
Lore-wise, the vast majority of Thalassian elves should now have golden eyes. Continuing to push green eyes as the norm simply ignores the Sin’dorei arc in TBC.
Also, I am so tired of “High Elf vs Blood Elf” argument.
Republicans and Democrats are both Americans; in the same way, Sin’dorei and Quel’dorei are the same people. The Thalassians. The difference is political, not racial or cultural.
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You’re flat out wrong.
Please stop embarrassing yourself and replay WC3. The Quel’dorei renamed themselves Sin’dorei to honor their fallen people after Arthas wiped them out. A few minority opposed drawing magic from living beings and openly defied Lor’themar’s policies. As a result, they were exiled, later aligning themselves with the Alliance and continuing to call themselves Quel’dorei.
Even in WC 3 when you play the campaign of the Blood elves, the Kael’thas and his people have a name “Blood elf”.
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You are, cope.
“Please stop embarrassing yourself” proceeds to say something that absolutely doesn’t contradict anything I said
Kael renamed his people the Blood Elves and that new name came with a renewed identity and a bunch of new practices. This new identity soon translated into a redefined political alignment since the people that refused that package I just described were exiled and rejoined the Alliance while the ones that welcomed that new identity joined the Horde. Now the Blood Elves are the Horde Thalassians and the High (and now Void) Elves are the Alliance ones.
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Kohnila is 1,000% correct guys. The main things separating a High Elf from a Blood elf are those who wanted to honor their falling kin via renaming themselves the Blood Elves, while taking measures to survive by any means necessary and those who looked down upon their kin and kept the High elf name
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BAHAHAHAHA.
The whole meaning of the name Quel’dorei which in Darnassian means a “Child of a noble birth” implies the elves who have this title are “city elves” aka “more educated” than those from outskirts.
How on earth, does a Thalassian elf descended directly from the Kal’dorei Quel’dorei somehow “stop” being Quel’dorei? Lineage does not vanish because of political schisms or modern faction labels.
You Helf fanatics need Elune.
The High elves literally renamed themselves Blood Elves to honor those who died during the scourge invasion of Quekl’thalas
It’s you who really needs to go replay WC 3. Because apparently you skipped, like literally everything that took place
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It’s teal and they’re doing it to be like “Um, fel is like, totally bad. We’re not about that life now. We’re past pursuing other magics. Sunwell is fixed and nothing bad will ever happen to it again so we’re gonna throw all that Blood Mage stuff in the trash.”
I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again. Belves went from a cool subversion of the standard tropes of the classic fantasy “High Elf” by making them a people defined by survival while trying to maintain the airs of superiority.
But then the Sunwell was fixed at the end of BC and that evaporated, and ever since they’ve been slipping further and further towards “generic fantasy elf” status. The only difference is they’re on the same side as the orcs instead of humans and dwarves, and they’re riding around on big chickens instead of unicorns.
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You just went on a rant about an ancient darnassian name for the highborn that hasn’t been relevant to the blood elves for a few thousand years now
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I had to read your post like 3 times to make sense of it. You people are mental.
“Quel’dorei” means “children of noble birth” because the Thalassian Elves used to be the Highborne of the Kaldorei society. When the Highborne were exiled from Kalimdor they just kept this name, and they did so up until the fall of Quel’Thalas, after which Kael renamed them Sin’dorei. Now the only ones clingling to that name are the Thalassians that were exiled from Quel’Thalas and joined the Alliance.
The meaning of words changes over time. That’s basic linguistics. Please focus.
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Good that you removed that 10,000 years now, becuase reply was coming for that.
Quel’dorei is a TITLE not a race name.
Are the peasants and the aristocrats different races? No.
This is the important part. And it’s scary how so many people do not know how language works
Do you even understand the name Quel’dorei has changed its meaning since their exile? And that in THALASSIAN it translates to HIGH ELF?
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