I didn’t get anything confused.
Using BT, you do not break form to cast a Regrowth to buff your next abilities. It is a DPS loss to do so. You use PS for the instant cast.
Regardless of PS, BT still fires off of regrowth. I have stopped and spammed Regrowth to help a healer in dire need before as well. A simple mouse over macro makes using Regrowth off of PS simple and easy to throw out a side heal to someone else. I’d say half my Regrowths to power BT are gladly cast on someone else anywho
yeah… no.
The insta cast in form has absolutely nothing to do with Bloodtalons.
Read the tooltip.
Predatory Swiftness
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to make your next Regrowth or Entangling Roots instant, free, and castable in all forms.
Using PS procs and “spamming regrowth” on people are not the same thing at all.
Youre about 15 years late to that party. Might I remind you that I main resto atm. I dont need advice on healing macros, thanks.
Does everything have to be spelled out for you??
Regrowth activates BT.
Predatory Swiftness procs make Regrowth instant and able to be casted in Kitty
In combat, if you fire off a finisher without 5 CPs and don’t get a PS proc, you do not stop dpsing to cast Regrowth to activate BT. You eat the loss and get BT on the next PS proc (few exceptions).
I never said spamming Regrowth and using PS procs were the same. I just elaborated a bit saying I do the same thing you do (use PS procs on others when needed, and also spamming Regrowth…)
And I’ve used mouseovers since I started playing myself. That comment wasn’t directed at you. Was just thrown out there into the thread for anyone who may chance upon reading it
Are you all caught up or am I going to have to explain this as well?
P.S. - changing BT to only affect bleeds is a horrible idea. They’d have to really buff other abilities to make up for that loss.
You word your replies very poorly.
and I’m merely responding to this…
As I stated, all ferals have this. its a moot point when discussing bloodtalons.
Im using MoC and i have instants too… whoopidy doo!!!
I know, this was all discussed last year and the same points were brought up. Thats why Im riding the “remove Bloodtalons” train and not the “change blood talons” short bus.
You have completely missed the point. No surprise though.
Ah yes, not so veiled insults while hiding on an alt. That’s fine, you do you. I got the point being made, assessed the impact, and skipped to the end result.
Meanwhile, I can’t help it if you can’t see past the immediate pleasures YOU and SOME others would experience to the deeper consequences that taking such drastic actions would have for the spec at large.
I dont need alts to insult. He is right thought. You completely missed the point, just as Grizzle did. Only thinking on one side of the coin. Who reads? “remove these talents” and thinks… “lets strip down the trees and leave them empty!!”?
Wooooosh!
I get you don’t like how BT reacts with healing. I don’t mind having more options, as long as they make sense. So, put forth more things it can be used with and I’ll be on board.
On the flip side, what you are proposing reduces the options we have for using it. I am against having less options as that reduces the choices we can make. BT being used with BrS is a rather key part of ST atm if that is the build you choose. Your proposal would eliminate that option.
I read it as “Let’s eliminate an entire playstyle that many people enjoy.” Which is the case. Sure, you and many others don’t like it. I get that. I’m saying EXPAND the options, not cut them out entirely.
Thats not what you said at all.
Back in cata they had this great ability that when you used feral charge, it allowed you to use ravage out of stealth. That was an extremely fun ability that not only added to the rotation but it rewarded movement. Ravage has now been baked into shred and feral charge is no longer baseline, but a similar type of mechanic can be used for bloodtalons… had they not messed everything up.
Just take a step back for a moment. You’re playing open world content, you don’t need to try to min/max your dps by hard casting Regrowth every first mob. Just go in and start fighting. If you feel you need to wait minutes on end for a mob to move somewhere you might be doing something wrong outside the scope of this class.
The problem with bloodtalons has always been one of feast or famine. The entire mechanic pretty much screams stacking mastery, so when we have high mastery then our bleeds get to insane levels, which leads to nerfbats, which leads to feral underperforming until we are buffed insane levels of times, only to repeat the problem.
Bloodtalons in it’s current iteration, as it hasn’t really changed since it was brought into the rotation, is highly broken… and not in a good way. It’s a millstone around feral’s performance. Sure people like the playstyle, but the real issue is the negative impact it has on feral’s gameplay. Because of bloodtalons, everything either revolves around it otherwise feral sucks. NO talent should be that important over all the others. Either remove it as a talent and bake it in, or it shouldn’t be as broken as it is.
Predatory Swiftness procs should be castable in stealth and it should have remove corruption and hibernate added to the instant cast list.
Bloodtalons is one of the main reasons I play feral. I love empowering my bleeds and having to actually monitor something other than a bleed falling off or being up.
Unless they change it to where BT can only effect finishers a proc empowerment system for it would be pretty meh and that would take away rake empowerment so that isn’t a fun solution.
I wouldn’t be opposed to maybe making BT an on use ability but it becomes really complicated when you think about how to implement an ability that increases damage when we already have an active ability that does that, Tiger’s Fury. Again, to me BT and TF have really good synergy and I would hate to see that be broken if they changed BT.
Who knows, maybe with the necks on use ability and with them stating at beg of bfa that they want to change blood talons, its very well possible they will experiment with an active ability that can offset this and give them freedom to change blood talons. But then again, we have to remember, we got a huge rework and the only thing that wasn’t touched pretty much was blood talons after stating they didn’t like it.
I don’t do world pvp but I have no issues with BT for WQing n stuff non warmode. I still really enjoy the talent in the open world.
I completely understand how players could hate this ability and its effects especially if your into world pvp/pvp. But I understand not liking it in any situation as a player. I’m not on a soap box. I think blizzard is in a tricky situation with this one though. It’s either love hate when it comes to BT from the ferals I talk to.
Here is what I said:
Bloodtalons or something similar to it has been part of the feral spec since MoP.
I re-emphasized the relevant portion.
It wasn’t called Bloodtalons but you sure as hell would be casting heals with PS procs before your finishers to get a damage bonus.
That means there’s (using your words) a solid 7 years of “core feral gameplay” with bloodtalons (or something similar)
So see my previous comment. BT is part of the feral identity. Don’t like it? Pick a different talent.
Funny how MOP was when they completely destroyed druid.
I just choose not to play with bloodtalons and go with moc instead lol idc if I do a few less percent dps I’m enjoying my rotation more
All this talk about Blood talons and its former self, Dream of Cenarius, had me looking up old guides. I found this gem from icy veins and I thought I would share it.
Also updated the Dream of Cenarius in all the druid guides. The reason that we say that the usefulness of is is not clear is because we highly doubt that it will remain Blizzard’s intention to have Feral Druids constantly weave Regrowth into their rotation.
Ha… so much for that.
I remember why I had forgotten all about Dream of Cenarius, and it was because it shared a talent row with Heart of the wild. (hands down the most overpowered spell ever introduced into wow)
BT used to be very powerful (MOP period), but now it’s just a burden
But there are a few stupid people who think BT is already the core. If BT now brings the same benefits as the past, it is indeed the core.
The reality is that BT is just a little better on the same layer of garbage talent design.
Also, because most of the M+ is not designed for garbage, Feral
Hey… Garbage BZ has 99% should have never played it and designed it out. Feral is stupid.