Blood Relations: The Worst Theme of New Wow Writing

Family thematically has always been important in World of Warcraft. The game has long been about blood feuds and protecting people who you’re related to when the big scary monster comes to pillage your land or steal your soul.

But since BFA, there has been a recurring theme: Family being the most important obligation, especially blood family: the people who you are directly related to.

In BFA we start off with Jaina in particular. She feels guilt over the death of her blood father (a man unambiguously in the wrong) and only forgives herself when her mother forgives her in particular. It required her mother’s permission. Not her own soul searching or her own moral conviction-- the assurance that she still has some family approval. At least she eventually came to the conclusion that she was still initially right about her father, but still a shame that she couldn’t come to that conclusion herself, and that she almost did a reversal.

There was an initial breath of fresh air when we got to see Kalecgos essentially bring some closure to the blue dragonflight-- a family that had been shattered by trauma and misfortune. It was nice. It was neat. But it was very blunt.

And it only got more blunt.

Wrathion and Sabellian’s character arcs came to a grinding halt in favor of setting the family dispute aside, giving importance to Ebenhorn in spite of the fact that Ebenhorn wasn’t written to earn a leadership position.

This theme is rife in the World Soul Saga too.

Faerin being important because of who she is related to.

All of the Windrunners being important because who they are related to.

Callia Menethil continuing to get propped up as a character for who she’s related to, when, in all frankness, that relation should be a detriment to her.

The harranir being the oldest and most important race now because of the establishment of who they are related to.

All of the trolls and elves expected (for some reason) to come together because of the fact that they are related, ignoring the fact that troll tribes have fought with one another for centuries despite very plainly knowing they are related.

What happened to themes about found family? What happened to the idea that what a character does is more important than their genetics?

Why is there such a hard push to fixate on the importance of dynasties in lore rather than what characters believe in or stand for?

What made the older lore interesting, I think, was the fact that families tended to create moreproblems than solve them. Monarchies rose and fell. Nepotism ran amok. Extremely inflexible and xenophobic groups emerged from these established ties.

It’s genuinely baffling to me.

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This is, I think, the key point.

Families and dynasties are easy to write. There’s a lot of cultural assumptions in those themes, which means that writers don’t need to spend time writing out those associated character elements/bonds/obligations/etc.

Why doesn’t Zul’jan challenge Zul’jarra despite his strong disagreements? Because he’s her brother. That implies a strong obligation to be loyal, which the story would otherwise have to establish as a standalone element.

Why does Varian have to train Anduin to become king, rather than picking a character who better fits Varian’s preferences for a ruler? Because Anduin is his son. Again, the writers don’t need to spend a lot of time establishing why Varian is forced to deal with a character who clashes with his personality, why Anduin is forced to stick with Varian again despite their conflicts, why they will listen to each other despite their opposed worldviews, and why they deeply care for each other underneath all that disagreement.

Why is Sylvanas unable to kill Vereesa and Alleria? Because they’re her sisters, no matter how much they may interfere with what Sylvanas is certain must happen. Why are Alleria and Vereesa unable to kill Sylvanas? She’s their sister, no matter what has happened to her and what she’s done. It’s a tie that is widely understood to be able to mean more to a person than any kind of horrible thing that a family member has done, so the writers don’t need to build up any other reason to hold the characters back.

For these cases, there’s also an added theme of family bonds being the only tie that keeps characters together who would otherwise not put up with the other’s personality/views/actions/etc, and that forced bond slowly softening the rougher character into something nicer. That’s a specific character interaction that is harder (though, again, not impossible) to do with unrelated characters.

Similarly, dynasties are an easy shortcut to set up a scenario where a leader is forced to deal with a specific individual who will be their heir, even if that character would not be the leader’s choice. Again, that scenario can be set up without blood ties, but the blood ties is a shortcut.

So, in short - blood ties allow writers to imply deep connections and complications, but not have to spend time writing those actual connections and complications. And, as the goblins say: Time is money, friend.

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But like I said before… the implications fail.

Especially when it comes to the nature of the relationships being examined.

The trolls do not have peace because of their blood relations.

Sylvanas has tried to kill Vareesa before.

Dynasties being a shorthand for relationships doesn’t work when the entire setup of the setting is built on the fact that blood relations often lead to great conflicts and catastrophes in spite of the current lore treating them as a universally good thing.

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I definitely agree - the current patch’s 'stop fighting! What about our shared great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents?!" plot fell flat. The family bond theme was stretched too thin until it snapped. It’s so distant that, as others have mentioned, it’s like having the humans and orcs set aside their conflicts because both of their origins were molded by the Titans - what does that mean to any member of either group today?

Now, I’d forgive all those faults if we had one or two lines from Hagar afterward going “Wha? They’re still angry? I thought that would’ve worked!” to show that it’s enough for the Haranir and they thought it’d be enough for the others.

But I have the sneaking suspicion that a lot of these “unity” plots are in pursuit of another simplification - grouping the elves together so that any plot that involves ‘elves’ won’t have to differentiate between blood/high/void, and tying the troll-descend-- I mean haranir-descendants together so that any new revelation about ancient harranir is suddenly lore for all elf and troll characters.

As for Sylvanas and Vereesa - could you refresh my memory on that? As I recall, Sylvanas was planning on killing and raising Vereesa in the book on Garrosh’s trial (was the title War Crimes? I forget if that’s the real title or a fan name), but that got interrupted before she could actually try to do so. And then the Three Sisters comic had her planning to kill them again, but backing down at the last minute. I don’t remember offhand any other conflicts between the two.

And yeah, I don’t mean to say that these bonds always work, just that they’re often used as a shortcut. The depth, quality, and applicability varies a lot.

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Blood relations can be interesting but there does need to be a push and shove. Families don’t often see eye to eye and there can be disagreements etc. Which is something the old guard would do. Let’s use an example that has recently been in the spotlight but one that was well received (for the most part).

Magni and Moira.

Magni was not a good father, that is self evident and he himself has admitted it on occasion. He did love Moira but he failed to understand who she was. This caused a rift to forge between the two of them, one that turned into hatred on Moira’s end. To the point that after being captured by the Dark Irons, she willingly sided with them and wanted the Dark Irons to conquer Ironforge, but on their terms, not Ragnaros’. All because Dagran I saw Moira for who she was, a skilled politician with a silver tongue. A breathe of fresh air compared to the yes men in the imperial senate.

When Magni sent adventurers to rescue his daughter from what he believed was a marriage born from mind control, he was devastated to learn that it was anything but. And that Moira is also expecting. His failure to be a father to Moira ultimately led to the Dark Irons ‘winning’ the war.

This is why I see Magni’s efforts during Legion and BFA to try and help Azeroth (the world soul) as a second chance to be a father. This is probably why he felt angry and betrayed when Azeroth stopped speaking to him following BFA. Another ‘daughter’ who didn’t want anything to do with him. Which is why I loved his dynamic with Dagran II.

Dagran II is a constant reminder of his short coming as a father to Moira but he refuses to let that get the better of him. He loves his grandson and hopes that he can be a grandfather worthy of his grandson. There are still tensions between Magni and Moira, it didn’t go away just because Magni apologized shortly after waking up prior to Legion as evidenced by TWW’s intro quests but for Dagran’s sake, they are willing to mend the rift between them.

In this example Magni and Moira do start to rebuild their fractured relationship not solely because they are blood related, but because of their grandson & son respectively. It still has the theme of ‘blood relations’ but only through Dagran II.

I think the issue with the Windrunners is that there doesn’t really seem to be a Dagran II for Sylvanas, Alleria and Veressa. It is clear Blizzard is trying to make Arator that character but the problem is, we rarely see Arator interact with his family, whether they be his mother or his two aunts.

I do agree though that WoW should have more stories where just because you are blood related, does not mean you will see eye to eye. I know I tend to bring up Destiny 2 lately and it did have its fair share of writing problems as well, but it does feel like WoW needs more Calus & Caiatl, or Oryx, Xivu Arath and Savathun dynamics.

For the former you have a father and daughter that never saw eye to eye, to the point that Caiatl actively took part in a coup against her father. But because Calus is her father, she only agreed to take part in the coup if he was exiled. A decision she would regret and one she has admitted to (Presage exotic mission from Season of the Chosen). Hell Calus’ main nightmare that plagued him all the way until his death was his daughters betrayal. As seen in the Duality dungeon from Season of the Haunted. And yet when Calus was on the verge of winning, he didn’t kill his daughter, even though he very easily could have given his new powers as a disciple of the Witness. And when Calus died, Caiatl, in her own way still mourned for him, saying he no longer needs to run away anymore. Shame the actual moment is interrupted too soon by a very unnecessary joke.

Oryx, Xivu Arath and Savathun are siblings and their relationships was a major focus of the Heresy episode following The Final Shape. In this, Oryx ‘returns’ as the Echo of Navigation, a framed memory from The Witness of how they would’ve preserved Oryx in The Final Shape. This echo of the taken king is just after his victory over the Worm God Akka and thus has no memories of any of his children, the main two being Crota and Nokris. The former he same to Sol seeking to avenge and the latter he disowned for practicing necromancy without tribute.

Both Savathun and Xivu Arath seek to claim their ‘brother’ but for different reasons. Savathun has no proper memories of her brother because of how she was reborn as a lightbearer. Therefore if she desires to claim her brother to rebuild their relationship. But to also give her brood legitimacy. If Oryx can be convinced to abandon the sword (darkness) and embrace the bomb (light), then the Lucent Hive will stop being seen as heretics. And maybe, Xivu Arath might also abandon the sword as well. Reuniting the three of them once more. There is also a sense of guilt on Savathuns end here. It was her that led her siblings down to the deep where they accepted the Worm Gods offers. She feels responsible for everything that has happened since. Being used as pawns of The Witness.

Xivu Arath however wants Oryx so she can once again be a knight in service of her one true king. And by this destroy her enemies, including Savathun. Xivu Arath did not hesitate to try and kill Savathun during Season of the Lost when The Witness ordered her to. To Xivu, Savathun is no longer her sister, no longer family. During the Ghosts of the Deep dungeon from Season of the Deep, you can find memories of Xivu Arath throughout the dungeon. They are a great insight into her character as she finds the corpse of her brother and has to process her grief. And why she would ultimately be fully devoted to The Final Shape. As at least through that she might be reunited with her siblings in death. But now with the Echo, she can find a way to restore her brother back without turning to heresy.

And the sad thing is for both Savathun and Xivu Arath, this echo of Oryx remained true to the Sword Logic and therefore asked us, his slayers, his successors to kill him. As if Oryx is truly dead, so should the echo. His existence itself is heresy to the Sword and thus he must die to the Sword. And we do this with his own sword. Imagine that, your dead brother has come back and he would rather die all over again due to his devotion to a flawed logic instead of forging a new future with you. For Savathun, no new memories, no legitimacy and no reunited family in the light, as they should’ve always been. For Xivu Arath, no purpose, no King to serve. You are just a knight without a oath, without a liege, without a banner.

‘Oryx upon seeing Savathun a lightbearer and Xivu Arath a depressed mess… dies of cringe’.

The only major blood relation that does get a happy ending is Mara and Uldren / Crow. And even then, that took a long time, Uldren dying and reborn as a lightbearer and Mara throwing a tantrum trying to blame everyone but the one truly responsible for her brothers death. With was herself, as she was emotionally manipulating him ever since they were born again as Awoken. Riven might have used Uldren as a tool, the player might have been the one to pull the trigger, Ikora might have been the one who sent the player on that manhunt, as Uldren had killed Cayde 6 but none of that would’ve happened if Mara treated Uldren as a brother and not an asset that could be disposed of.

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I never liked how in WoD they gave some of the prominent Orcs a parent of repute. Just let people be self-made. We don’t need to know about Thrall’s parents, and we certainly didn’t need to know about Grom’s. Kilrogg DEADEYE should be the one to form his clan, not some stuffy elder. The clans have almost zero legacy in the world so why make them ancient hereditable tribes? The Horde heroes should be like rock stars not little princes.

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Did you check out the dialogues and ‘sit a while and listen’ from the various NPCs around? While I did not see Hagar show confusion at it not leading to peace, a lot of the other NPCs commented on how it meant nothing. There were even a couple of them that basically said ‘did they really think this would change anything’ after the cutscene. There are even several comments about Haranir not understand the history the races have.

It really feels to my like Blizzard is telling a story about the Haranir being naive. The NPCs are pretty direct about that theme. So, it is not Hagar saying it. But basically all the others are.

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I’m a blatant Jaina apologist, I freely admit, but I kind of get this from her POV.

a. Being cut off from your family is traumatic. It makes sense for her to carry the weight of her mother’s, and her entire homeland’s, disapproval.

b. Daelin’s motives were sound, his methods were anachronistic. I mean look at it from his pov. He spent quite a few years battling the then outright bloodthirsty orcs of Doomhammer’s Horde. He lost his son and heir to that war. Then Thrall leading the mass prison break of orcs was a major crisis due to the chaos of the Second War’s aftermath, and lives were lost in the process. Then, the Scourge. His daughter effectively disappears off to seas even the mighty Kul Tiran fleet haven’t charted. Who knows if she’s alive or dead? So he sails to go find her, and finds the land full of orcs and trolls. Given his history, his reaction may have been incorrect and missing the nuances of Horde political metamorphosis, but it was hardly unreasonable.

c. For Jaina herself a crisis over her father’s words to her must have seemed retroactively prophetic. Saying things like;

“You have always been naive my daughter.”

“The orcs and their kin cannot be trusted”

And when she tells him he doesn’t understand?

“I understand more than you suspect, my dear. Perhaps in time, you will too.”

And then she was forced to make an impossible decision: she had to decide between positive diplomatic relations with her neighbours, or her beloved father’s life. Something we know left her with nightmares.

That’s bad enough to begin with but after Theramore? After the betrayal of the Sunreavers? After the horrors even of Teldrassil? Those words have GOT to be invading her thoughts. Seriously. It’s pretty full on.

Then she’s sent back to the home that sees her as a traitor, to plead for aid with the mother who disowned her, only for Mum to turn her back and land Jaina in an utterly horrific and torturous incarceration? Yeah those wounds are going to be RAW. Mum’s approval is a healing balm.

Imo it was a pretty good story and it actually makes sense that family is at the centre of it. The emotional impact just wouldn’t be there if it was Grand Admiral Jim Doesntknowanyone who encountered the Horde in Frozen Throne, or if Jaina sought forgiveness from a politician she’s never met before in Kul Tiras.

So yeah I actually think family stories are cool as!!

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The issue is that you’re thinking about it as if it’s a historical event rather than a decision the writers made to put Jaina in that corner and also turn her into more of a “war hawk” (these are words from writing devs at the time).

It left a bad taste in people’s mouths turning a diplomatic character into a warped version of herself to bring out the family narrative.

I’ve lost complete interest in her character ever since.

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Personally I think it was much more interesting than leaving her in the same space the whole time. Jaina’s arc is one of my favourite stories in WoW, up to and including BFA. Trusting Uther in Shadowlands was dumb but Shadowlands was just dumb so… xD

Anyway I do want to clarify that just because I’m a defender of family/dynastic stories does not mean I’m a fan of this recent Haranir BS. That was bad and should feel bad. Some sort of super distant common heritage does not and should not even come close to resolving the thousands of years of conflict between trolls and elves.

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Thing is, if we were to ever go to Kul Tiras and Jaina was with us, there would still be family drama between Jaina and her mother regardless of whether events like the bombing of Theramore or the Divine Bell → Purge of Dalaran happened to change Jaina’s world view. Jaina was branded a traitor by her own people for allowing the Horde to storm Theramore and kill her father. In their eyes she chose “monsters” over her place of birth and her family. Even Vanilla had repercussions of this via the deserter story line. Where members of her own guard at Theramore were trying to convince others to desert and possibly launch a coup against Jaina for what she did to Daelin.

I still reckon Jaina should’ve punched Sylvanas like Frosta does to Catra in Season 5 of She-ra 2018.

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I guess my other issue is like… at the time, the narrative was very clear that was correct at the point in time in which it was written. Thematically Jaina was not going to let her blood ties cloud her into doing acts of evil.

Ever since theramore she did a 180 on her philosophy. Ironically, she did become a monster, just not in the way that her own people see her as one.

And I would have rather had Jaina be strong in her moral convictions rather than crumbling in that way.

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I get the point of this thread and I agree with a fair bit of it, but mate did you really just ask why a hereditary monarch decided to make his only son his heir? Really?

Vertebrates shouldn’t fight. For you see, we all share a common cordate ancestor. We are all one family.

This is exactly as tedious and mind numbing as imaging that shared (but enormously distant) relation between elf and troll should mean anything at all.

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Er, that sentence was illustrating the point of blood ties and hereditary succession in stories, so yes? It’s a hypothetical question meant to frame the “hereditary succession means Varian has to deal with Anduin and his differing opinions instead of picking a random other person closer in mindset to Varian” concept.

The challenge of text is that it misses the context of tone, but I was hoping it was clear. In the sense of asking a question to frame the explanation, as in saying “Why is the sky blue? See, because of refraction and color wavelengths…” while not actually expressing a genuine befuddlement over why the sky is blue.

But if we fight, then great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandma would be sad! :cry:

And doesn’t that motivation surpass any currently active sociopolitical issues? I mean, what is justice or safety or economic stability worth, compared to the feelings of a cousin five-hundred-and-fifty-seven times removed?

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