I am not even saying he IS a hypocrite. He is acting hypocritically. He did a not dissimilar thing. Yet he is acting like he has all the moral high ground. It really doesn’t matter if he is correct in his assertions. Yes, dabbling in the void is dangerous. So was dabbling with the fel. He doesn’t really have the moral high ground in this discussion. But he is acting like he does. It doesn’t matter if he is on the correct side or not. He is acting hypocritical.
And, like I said before, I think that is a good thing from a story telling perspective. It is how people often act once they have escaped/quit a vice. The flaw gives his character more depth. And he can still be a good guy, a hero, with that flaw. My only complaint is I don’t think the game is really acknowledging the hypocritical side of it.
I agree with you. I was just guessing where he got the idea of Blood Elves using shadowpriests. I have seen those arguments before. And people often take those kind of conjectures and guesses and see them as facts in their head. And that is what I think happened here.
Yes it is.
Is it possible that Blizzard envisioned those NPCs as shadowpriests? Yes. But it is also possible they just saw them as holy priests who tapped some shadow magic, maybe even just disc priests. It is also possible their ‘spec’ wasn’t even considered and it was just a priest thing. Personally, that would be my guess.
I doubt that Blizzard thought of them as shadowpriests specifically. But many players do.
I’m not arguing the merit of whether it’s right or wrong, I’m simply labelling the facts down — The void is known to be a risky power & magic to dabble with, just like chaos magic, blood magic and other volatile powers (Thunder King’s technology) and dark magics.
I mean … He does have the moral highground. lol
The Sunwell was reborn of light → The void is a directly opposing threat and volatile danger to it, which can alter its state into that of tremendous dark power. Whilst Rommath’s treatment and action on ALL void matters is overkill, being distrustful or state such is to be kept at a distance — isn’t exactly unwarranted.
I’ll agree he is acting hypocritical, but not a hypocrite – as one could also reason that it’s precisely because of his past – that he’s more stringent on the more volatile, darker and taboo magics — Especially given what happened to Dar’Khan Drathir and later: Kael’Thas Sunstrider.
He’s probably got PTSD from dark magics and their effects on individuals – including those he held close or in high regard.
I mean such was also BEFORE the Sunwell was restored with the power of the light, so shadowpriests and the subjects of the void – whilst held with some decorum of taboo, like fel – wasn’t exactly condemned as a danger to their nation akin to that of now.
There’s a very different paradigm shift, precedent and established cultural evolution that’s revolutionised throughout their city & kingdom from that time — to the new age that their kingdom & people headed towards after all the events that followed (Kael’Thas, the demons, the Sunwell).
He really doesn’t. He did basically the same thing.
Now, you can try to argue that the void is worse than fel. But, that isn’t so clear. The fel was actively infecting and changing the people in the city. It was being fed to everyone. Sure, it wasn’t a direct threat to the Sunwell (it not being there and all). And yes, Umbric being near the Sunwell might pose a potential risk. But he is not feeding the void to the citizens of the city. You can argue one way of the other which is worse. Is the potential threat to the Sunwell worse than the active threat of the fel? Reasonable people can differ. My point is, it is really not clear cut.
That is pretty much what I said.
I think we are pretty much in agreement here.
That has been my read on the situation. Between learning from his mistakes and lingering guilt for his part he has become far more hardline against dark powers. Understandable, and even arguably the correct view. He is just not dealing with Umbric that way. Which again, fits. It is how RL people often deal with past guilt. And it fits the character. Narratively him acting the way he does is a good thing.
Yes to all of that. I agree. I was guessing at what the other posters was referring to. I don’t agree with his take.
Except it’s not the same thing, especially considering the circumstances are different.
Rommath brought fel crystals to sustain Silvermoon and Quel’Thalas during a time of crisis when the Sunwell had already perished — It held no danger to the Sunwell, because it was already destroyed and it held little to no danger to their kingdom because such a power was being used to uphold, rebuild and sustain it.
The void however is detrimental to the Sunwell’s current state, is quite literally the very power that’s at their doorstep trying to claim everything they hold dear — and isn’t so much “needed” in the same capacity as the above - The knowledge and power to CHALLENGE it is helpful, but it’s not by any means “Basically the same thing”
Yes, I was agreeing with you there
I’d say Rommath’s reasons are fairer & more complex than just that, but as per towards the individuals WIELDING the power, how it’s used & its consequential effects on them – is the strongest lesson he took from it all.
Although playing the storyline, yeah he’s sorta being a d – AHEM … Well, he’s got some valid reservations – but he should stop stressing so much and let Lor’themar + friends share the burden
I’d say his ‘take’ is fine — but the extent of his actions and demeanor expressed from it, are not.
Both things are very similar. It is like someone who used to smoke cigarettes getting self righteous about someone smoking cigars. Sure, they are not exactly the same thing. But they are close enough.
Umbric’s void nature is potentially dangerous to the Sunwell. They even say in game that it is not clear if Umbric’s presence would actually harm the Sunwell. Alleria had a heart of a dark Naaru in her. Umbric does not. So, Umbric and the Void elves might be dangerous if they get close to the Sunwell. It is only a potential risk, though the consequences are high.
Meanwhile the Fel was actively corrupting the population. Unlike the Fel, Umbric and the Void Elves are not feeding void to the population. It is only them. The Fel was doing damage to everyone.
So, we are faced with potential risk vs active damage comparison. I can see arguments for either being the worse. I don’t think we can definitively state the Umbric and the Void Elves presence is actually worse.
But, I do agree keeping them away from the Sunwell is the wisest choice given the knowledge they have.
I would say it is the difference between ‘is’ and ‘might be.’ Saying something is a thing based on weak evidence is a bad take. Saying something might be based on the same weak evidence can be a good take.
Rommath only cares as far as what poses a danger to the well. The fel use he passed on wasn’t what brought the Legion through the well. It kept Blood Elves alive. What Kael’thas did with joining the Legion did do that. So no it’s not the same thing. The Void Elves were not trying to survive. They knew the dangers of the void. They knew it wasn’t allowed in the city, let alone the aisle. After Alleria sets off the well, that was it, it’s over.
The safety of the well is the important thing to him.
