Blood Elf Shadowpriests and void-users were canonically exiled

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and as per the title states, all Blood Elf Shadowpriests and void-users were canonically exiled from Quel’Thalas.

To detail further …

Ages ago between the Legion and the Battle for Azeroth expansions, I expressed rather profusely on the forums that the story told in the Nightborne + Void elf recruitment scenario (by the Blood Elves @ the Sunwell) had stated that ANY who treat with the void were not welcome amongst Silvermoon, Quel’Thalas or their people.

Thus, Blood Elf Shadowpriests and void-dabbling warlocks & the others who treated with such powers would naturally fall into that category and also be canonically exiled within the story (whether or not that was expressed in gameplay).

  • I had quite a lot of protests and arguments made that such was ludicrous or “wrong” or that it supposedly indicated nothing of the sort … Despite Rommath’s literal direct statement made towards “ANY who treat with the void” and the fact that he’s the GRAND MAGISTER of Silvermoon and holds such authority to make it so.
  • Do keep in mind, Umbric and his lot were exiled back when they were Blood Elves.
    And it was for merely studying & dabbling in such power.

:person_shrugging: Needless to say, myself and those who agreed with me or shared such an acknowledgement were in fact right, as per the short-story: Umbric: The Void Between.

The demeanor of dialog Rommath applies towards void-dabbling heroes when providing his quests in the Midnight Pre-Patch, emphasizes this fact only further (I mean the guy literally argues that perhaps you should be burned on a pyre for such, exile is at the bare minimum lmao).

Journeying to Midnight …

As per such lore – aside from the coming narratives towards Void Elves on the power of the void, do you think or believe the Blood Elves who wield such power will get any stories to expand on that notion & the journey they’ve had?

It seems they’re still with the Horde and still identify as one of the Sin’dorei (and/or Forsaken) – but were simply exiled from their homeland.

  • It’d be fitting to see how they’ve faired since the exile (ourselves included) and the path forward of the Sin’dorei wielders of dark-magics amongst their people; especially if their significance rivals that of the Ren’dorei regardless of not being infused with the void.

Personally, I’d love to see far more lore & narratives on those matters and I don’t mean just a simple one-line of dialog or a short dismissive exchange — I’d love detailed dive into the depth of that and see significantly more. The Blood Elves dark-magic identity was something many Belf players were outraged when it was dismissed and then later even condemned as shown per-above. It’d be awesome if we could dive into that lore and reveal further :slight_smile:

:clap: Anyway, there you have it guys!

Feel free to express your thoughts, if you have any great suggestions to add, or any intriguing thoughts to share – and happily proceed to comment bellow! :grin:

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Probably. But probably not much or in depth. I think there is a good chance we will see quests similar to what Hallowfall had with the dark magic user classes proving themselves to that one NPC. Likely side quests, little bit of flavor. Not a big arc.

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I’m okay with that, personally. Blizzard is much better at telling smaller, local stories than they are at the big arcs with big personalities.

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That’d be fundamentally disappointing :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

Because in all honesty, the Sin’dorei have existed FAR longer in the game than Hallowfall.
Blood Elves deserve significantly more than that.

  • I mean … Merely having one singular experience feels rather lazy and poorly ambigious to the rest of the Sin’dorei who hold such powers too.

But as stated, the Sin’dorei deserve to have it established much further for the roleplay aspects + their canon identities with such powers.

Specifically and especially since quite many amongst the Blood Elves use to pragmatically wield dark magics and other volatile magics & their methods, towards which many on the Blood Elf playerbase applied to their characters stories and a major part of their identities.

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Warlocks seem to be judged on a case by case basis, with some people in positions of power and others being persecuted and they also get the stink eye from rommath, so you might not be banned.

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That’s interesting :open_mouth: My understanding was that it was all warlocks, from all those who I’ve spoken to.

Either way, it’d still be good overall with the current storytelling and lore that’s now thus far been established in regards to the power of the void, dark magics and other ‘taboo magics’ that have since been prohibited more scrutinizing and harshly as time moved forward after the restoration of the Sunwell and the fall of Kael’Thas — with Lor’themar, Halduron and Rommath solidifying their leadership and edicts more strongly upon their people moving forward.

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Well, to be fair I don’t think that Hallowfall quest was really for Hallowfall. I think it was to address the much old classes themselves. It was to give the classes flavor more than anything about Hallowfall.

But, I agree Blood Elves do deserve more story. But so do a lot of other races and stories. So, I don’t think there is actually that much weight on ‘but they deserve it.’ There just isn’t enough time to really address every group that deserves time in the spotlight. And, to be frank, there are other races with FAR less development than Blood Elves.

The reality is I cannot see Blizzard spending much time on the small group of void using specs for Blood Elves. We are looking at shadow priests and maybe warlocks. Maybe we get into void DHs. That really doesn’t represent a significant portion of the population. Blizzard is just not going spend much time on it. We probably get some reference. There probably will be some ‘prove you are trustworthy to stay’ type quests for specific classes/specs/races like Hallowfall did. But it will be small side things.

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It has never been indicated. You are making an assumption. If you play a Void Elf, then you were canonically exiled. For sure. But there is no evidence to suggest the Player Blood Elves were exiled. That is just head canon RP.

My Blood Elves continued to receive quests from Silvermoon. They dealt with Lor’themar throughout BfA and Shadowlands an onward. My Blood Elves never got exiled.

I am not the type of person who finds questions in the Lore and fills them with head canon, guess work, and assumptions, like you are attempting to do.

If you want to pretend your Blood Elves were exiled for RP - what ever. But there is no evidence Player Champion Blood Elves were ever exiled - and even in the new lore, Warlocks are tolerated as long as they obey protocol.

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Which quest line is this? I might have not run into it and I’m now very interested because I remember questing through Hallowfall and being very disappointed that everyone seemed okay with my tentacle spouting VOID elf. lol

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Welp, guess they should kick some of our harder hitting classes out of Silvermoon as well, since if those two are removed, that would likely mean Demon Hunters and Death Knights, too. Does the Sunwell react to Fel and Undeath magic, as well as Void?

Granted, I think typically those two classes tend to stick with their own. I don’t think I’m a fan of this whole, “Welp, you’re less than a perfect light-worshiping zealot, so BANISHMENT!” theme.

I mean, I do get the idea of barring, say, a Demon Hunter, from visiting the Sunwell if there’s a negative reaction to it regarding Fel, but Silvermoon as a whole? That’s just awful writing from a narrative standpoint. We were torturing and harnessing all manner of beings to sate magical appetite 19 years ago, but somehow we’ve reached a point where individuals that have saved Silvermoon, (and Azeroth as a whole) COUNTLESS, COUNTLESS times, have never fallen to temptation, and now they have to face banishment now?

If that’s the case, that’s some F-tier fanfiction writing.

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It is a short one, and easy to miss. But sets and interesting precedent.

And in interview Blizzard mentioned it was something that could happen again when the situation warranted it.

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Now this kinda stuff, I’m all for. Same kind of stuff that they did with Sylvanas’s reaction in the Maw when you were a Loyalist. I’m all kinds of a fan of adding the “RP” back to “RPG”.

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!!! Thank you! I’m gonna go check this out now!

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No, it’s not …

Void Elves were exiled when they were all still Blood Elves.
BEFORE they were void elves.
It’s quite literally in the questline buddy.

You also have the dialog of Rommath within such a questline, arguing that the nature of the void alone is WHY Umbric and his followers were exiled, followed with:

  • “ANY who treat with the void are a danger to the Sunwell!”

Last I checked, Blood Elf shadowpriests do a whole lot more than “treat” with the void.

To add on to that - within the pre-patch, many have additionally seen Rommath’s quest dialog also condemn BLOOD ELF players who dabble in dark magics and the void — such as warlocks and yes, even — Shadowpriests – with unique-dialog towards them.

Additionally:

There’s even been a short story that emphasises the taboo and prohibiting of void study, use, magic and dabbling:

So, as for your claim of →

Perhaps try doing your homework first before superciliously exerting claims that the established lore is apparently “Headcanon” or has “Never been indicated” — Given that there’s now multiple sources that have absolutely indicated such.

As evidently shown above — clearly you are.

Plus … this is the story forum.
It’s perfectly normal for people to discuss guess-works @ still developing lore narratives and stories presented.

From what I recall, there hasn’t been too many questlines within the borders of Quel’Thalas from BFA, Shadowlands and onward aside from one involving the Scourge we got in SL :person_shrugging:

That said, lore doesn’t always correlate to gameplay anyway.
For instance:

  • Orgrimmar was held by Garrosh’s “True Horde” at the end of MoP.
    Yet Horde players could still travel in and out of Orgrimmar – Even before completing the raid.
  • The Horde and primarily the Blood Elves – were exiled from Dalaran from MoP through to Legion, yet inbetween we could all still go there.

So there’s evidently been cases of that before - particularly for Blood Elves too. :slight_smile:

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Nonsense. There is no such indication. It is never said anywhere that the Blood Elf Champion was exiled. All your little attempts at inserting your head canon are assumptions and guess work at best. No matter how many times you bleat it.

What does that have to do with current Blood Elf Player Champions being exiled? Nothing. Because current Void Elves were exiled. That is in the lore - Not the current Blood Elves. There is no lore that stays that.

Oh please. You think stringing together things that have nothing to do with your claim is homework? No wonder you adopt that chat gpt typing style.

Sure, discuss your attempts at guesswork. But you claim your guess work is canon fact, which is nonsense.

If you admitted it was just your head canon guesswork from the start, instead of attempting to claim it was canon, I wouldn’t even have replied.

The onus would be on you to prove gameplay is not canon, and that Blood Elf Player Champions were exiled. You have no proof of that. Just your now self admitted guesswork.

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In light of this discussion, I decided to check out the Shadowlands era quest on my Affliction Warlock.

Here I am being invited to Silvermoon :

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and here I am in Silvermoon, with the whole gang - even Rommath

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Mind you, this is all much, much after the exiles became Void Elves at the end of Legion.

So, I don’t see your conjecture disproving the gameplay.

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Game canon and lore canon are frequently at odds.

The guards of Stormwind should at the very least be tightening their sword grips when a warlock walks around with their Fel Guard in tow, or for that matter, the Night Elf Huntress walking into a shop with her two very dangerous sabercats.

Shadow priests at least can keep themselves on the down low

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I legitimately provided three sources showing ‘indication’

  • the pre-Nightborne / Void Elf questline narrative questline.
  • Umbric: The Void Inbetween short story
  • Dialog directly to the player during the pre-patch event questlines which includes … That’s right – Blood elf void users.

So your smug remarks and expressions of obnoxious behavior to brashly call it entirely guesswork and “headcanon” isn’t needed to such an extent. At this point in time if anything, you’re the one who’s presenting more headcanon to adhere to such willful ignorance to all the above.

As for →

Such a questline I already acknowledged too →

To go further …

I do have proof … I actually presented a case where this WAS already done once before in the past, to which you oh-so-conveniently left out of the quote to presumedly fit & benefit your own argument:

so there’s that :upside_down_face:

Henceforth, your whole entire flawed argument that a literal event - that of which genuinely happened in canon-lore and was NOT continued to be represented in gameplay, to be posed as “Conjecture” is a pure fallacy.

Plus, regardless of all that — as Drahliana said:
Game canon and lore canon are frequently at odds. And their :100: percent right.

The things I listed quite literally have to do with:

  • the void
  • or the narratives of exiling due to the void …

That’s not "stringing together things that have nothing to do with your claim" –
It’s a straight-up correlation. lol

:clap: Overall!

You said there’s no indication. As I’ve shown, obviously there is.
It’s bafflingly disingenuous to argue multiple narratives presented both outside and in – still doesn’t count. Nthal

Two Definitions of the word ‘Indicate’

  • To serve as a sign, symptom, or token of; signify.
  • To suggest or demonstrate the necessity, expedience, or advisability of.

Rommath profusely advised against the void, emphasised the necessity of the scorn, has banished people for practicing it and has signified symptoms of overall distain towards the void in great length. That’s undisputable to most of us who’ve both played and read through the actual content, stories and game.

Perhaps at best you could argue the indications are reasonably up for interpretation — but to sit there, patronise and argue there’s NEVER been an indication at all, is just supercilious ignorance.

All that aside,

I’ll simply be muting you :heart: Because ultimately I can just see this conversation going in circles rather belligerently :grimacing: and I’d rather spare everyone else here the contentious back & forth dialog.

Shorel’aran :victory_hand:

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Curse is correct FWIW. There’s a side quest in Midnight about a mage magister and a warlock magister jockeying for power, with confirmation in the text that blood elf warlocks are a perfectly legal character class (provided they refrain from unauthorized demon summoning in Silvermoon). As the recent short story made clear, dedicated study of Dar’Khan Drathir’s work is what got the future void elves exiled.

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Blood Elf Shadow Priests got, like all Shadow Priests, Warlocks, and I believe DKs, the sarcastic comment from Rommath during the Twilight Highlands quest for prepatch

Rommath recognizes the blood elf shadow priest as a member of the Horde but he does not approve of their magic

SImple as

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