My posts may or may not have been influenced by rum but I am genuine in the dislike of the idea of expanding classes to more races than needed. Not every race needs to have access to every class.
This is especially the case for certain classes like druids that have narrow qualities that I don’t believe should be widen to appease certain races. If the Race x Class doesn’t not fit together, then it does not fit and move on.
Blizzard already stated they’re moving to all classes on all races, so I guess while you’re having a convo that is no longer pertinent the rest of us will just have a convo that is pertinent.
So? Are people suddenly no longer allowed to offer dissenting stances on topics anymore?
Half of the threads on this site are people disagreeing on something Blizzard is doing or is going to do. What makes this thread any different?
Feel free I am just pointing out its a moot point youre going on about. Which I am also free to do.
Well the Lun’alai do appear to be devotees of Elune, as their patron is not a Loa and the other Zandalari think them weirdos for not making true spirit bargains. The idea of a patron that just… gives power in turn for so little is super sketchy to them.
The Thornspeakers have Athainne who might be associated with Elune… perhaps? She definitely has the whole astral moon wild god vibe. I wish we had more on Athair and Athainne, I cannot help but feel there is some unexplained kinship to Malorne that got lost in the internal chaos blizzard was undergoing at the time.
I’m hoping, nay – PRAYING, that they at least provide some lore context for each races link to the class, whether culturally or as a people.
Such as like the how, the why, what others among their kin think of it, and most of all what it means for their people or kingdoms moving forward.
Even a questline in their zone for the lore lovers, with some cosmetic reward for their class by doing their individual racial quest to the new class would be neat – and wouldn’t require all too much effort on behalf of Blizz.
That would be wonderful, though they are stated to be Wild Gods of Kul’tiras. I’d love to see them have their lore expanded upon and even have a few more added to their ranks to account for the other forms. That would be awesome.
You’re offering a dissenting stance to class additions. This is a thread talking about the story of druids being added to the blood elves since its already going to be a thing.
You’re just in the plain wrong thread. What you want is a GD thread on whether adding classes makes sense.
Given Kul’tiras was part of the ancient Kalimdor supercontinent, it isnt too big a leap to me to imagine it. We know a number of wild gods wandered far and wide back then.
You obviously have never done a Burning Crusade dungeon or raid on the draenei ships.
Zandalari Druids managed just fine without Cenarius or anyone else’s instruction. So did the Drust.
I’m aware of the botanists.
The Zandalari and Kul Tiran launched with the Druid class option with lore that was expanded upon naturally as we explored the expansion and established why these options were possible.
That is a very different set of circumstances than Blood Elves suddenly having an epiphany in the narrative that they could be Druids all along because of the existence of Burning Crusade era NPCs.
I think, more accurately, is that it’s difficult for me to envision the writers giving the care that establishing new class options for certain races will require without taking the easy way out as we’ve already seen with the Warlock unlock quest.
I kind of like the idea of Talanji reuniting the Trolls under the Zandalari flag and brokering a peace between B.Elves and the Amani. As part of that peace, the B.Elves get to commune with the various Amani loa.
I’m so looking forward to making a Mechagnome Druid for this exact reason. They can get their connection to the Emerald Dream through Titan Keepers Mimiron and Freya.
They would be druids in the same way we got Gnome Priests approaching it from a “scientific” way of things… Druids with an outlook that isn’t one shared with tauren, trolls, or night elves. For centuries the Harvest Witches of Gilneas have been doing there own thing before the Nigth Elves contacted them.
so Trolls the race Blood elves and night elves originate have a natural connection to druidic ways the fact it does shows how naturally intune with nature they are as a race shows how elves are the most naturally gifted to druidism . an intresting fact about elves is that their ancestors trolls are a native race that predates even the oldgods as does the tauren and both races had the potential for druidc powers.
The Blood Elves live in a region artificially curated by their magic, and split off because they didn’t care about nature magic over the Arcane. It shouldn’t be given to them on a silver platter. It should reflect on their upbringing within a literal glass house made by their ancestors (some of the most screwed up people in the setting in terms of values and practices, whose minor offenses include systemic eugenics and enforcing a stratified immobile caste system that basically only 1 non lowborne ever moved out of (Kur’talos)). It should clash with their inherited beliefs as a people. It shouldn’t just be clean. It should cause tension within their city because it requires introspection and acceptance that something they rejected has value. Something their ancestors rejected, which drove the empire free-falling into corruption that ultimately lead to it’s own destruction.
If they get druids, it should explore the actual history of Druids and the division of the elves, and how people born within an artificial land react to that illusion being broken by Arthas and the reality of their ‘nature’ made clear.
They didn’t “split off” they were thrown out of Kalimdor by Malfurion who sealed the continent in Mists, Pandaria style to keep them from coming back.
Apparently, the Kaldorei took their little scheme of creating a plague which would have an arcane only cure, a bit peevishly, and condemned them all to death which Malfurion commuted to eternal exile.
The more recent lore addition of the Mother Tree of Quel’thalas paints the relation of the Arcane and Nature in a better light, with the tranquil climate of Quel’thalas being a beneficial aspect of the presence of the Arcane, rather than the old lore of the Quel’dorei forcibly halting the seasons when they settled Quel’thalas.
I thought that lore was about Azshara freezing Azshara in autumn because she like the tree colors so much.
Thats a bit extreme of an interpretation I think.
Far as I remember the lore just says they used their arcane magic to keep Eversong Woods within an eternal spring. I don’t remember any hostility or negativity being applied to it.
I feel that druids of all races will be unlocked in a post 10.2 questline (maybe 10.2.5?) where after saving Amirdrassil, the cenaryon circle or maybe another druid faction will just accept new members of all races, and that will symbolize the opening of druids to all classes. I feel that the time to unlock druids for all races would be right after all races of azeroth band together to save the emerald dream and a world tree from Fyrakk forces.
Azshara is a different area from Quel’thalas, and Azshara hasn’t set foot in Quel’thalas. Maybe you’re thinking of Azshuna, which was a group of Highborne she cursed into undeath for disloyalty.
I’m addressing a primary argument I’ve been met with over the years against BE Druids, rather than my own opinion, as I also disagree with said argument, which is no longer canon with the updated lore.