Its really ridiculous that all the races haven’t jumped on these new classes and adapted them to their cultures.
Oh yeah wow druids have a great track record of letting environments remain and keeping them without change. (Watches them try more than once to turn the barrens into a jungle.)
Why wouldn’t blood elven druids want to maintain their country’s wild places without having to use Arcane magic to do it? Or alternatively if they use Arcane magic to be druids ala the Botanist path why wouldn’t they continue?
There are so many way that this could go down and just it away because you don’t want cultures to advance and adapt is really just… Odd to me.
You are not fooling me with this hogwash about “advancing cultures”. People like you just want elves to be everything and anything, regardless if it makes any sense or not because god forbid they DON’T have access to something.
The game is already homogenized enough with an overpopulation of elf players. The game doesn’t, and shouldn’t, be trying to make it worse.
That’s why I think linking the story behind their love and desire to heal the land in Quel’thalas w either help from another horde race, or my friend baal had a cool concept involving the Amani and it also being a sort of peace idea between the two / bringing the Amani in officially to the horde
That’s… never going to happen, nor should it. The Amani HATE the Blood Elves, with a burning passion, which makes sense given the lore they have. The Blood Elves invaded their land and effectively played colonizer, then treated the trolls like savages for centuries. That doesn’t get you brownie points, not now, not ever.
They also played a role in killing three of their leaders, Zul’jin, Daakara and Kazra’jin. So no, I cannot see them ever making peace with the Blood Elves, not after all of that. Nor can I see them ever joining the Horde again. Not as long as the Blood Elves are a part of the faction.
Besides, High Botanist Freywinn already proved that Blood Elves can become Druids without the assistance of the Amani. Blizzard can just expand on that and make Blood Elf Druids part of a Botanist sect that focuses on mastery of nature. Perhaps with the assistance of the Nightborne since they also had a Botanist capable of mastery over nature in the form of High Botanist Tel’arn.
to many people are set in thier ways and beliefs to that blood elf druids will never happen. frankly its not if they will happen but when specially since blizzard already said they will make all classes available to all races its a mater of when.
For sure. I read your original post where you suggested that, and that would make sense as a possible motive, but the logistics of their actually becoming Druids was the uncertain factor, and arguably the most worrying for Blood Elves, and other races.
Wait, that’s actually perfect. I had no clue about Thas’alah. Apparently it resided in the area of Quel’thalas where Deatholme is before it was cut down. It’s probably a lot to ask for in a quest, but Deatholme could be reclaimed/dismantled by Blood Elf Druids, and the regrowing of Thas’alah could maybe heal the Dead Scar.
It would also be very Tolkien-esque for the Blood Elves to have their own golden tree of light, and the Nightborne to have their silvery/pale tree.
I am not really sure what would be the blood elven druidic patron spirits. I do not think there are any native wild gods who live in Quel’thalas… would they take on the Zandalari loa?
I can sort of imagine Q’onzu being their patron, as he is sort of has that same extra sparkles vibe… and he probibly do it just because it isnt traditional and that would amuse him.
That might be a thing for other cultures with Druids, but it doesn’t have to be a thing for Blood Elves, in the same way that other races with access to the Shaman ask for the blessing of the Elementals, while Goblins instead make deals and contracts to gain their power.
I think Blood Elven Druids could work if they adopted the Haruspex method. Or Arcane+Nature combination.
Haruspices are key members of the Zandalar tribe. By communion with animals and giving them up to the spirits when needed, they give the tribe divine guidance. In times past, the haruspex’s insight and wisdom gave the Zandalari an edge in the wars against the splintered tribes of the Gurubashi.[1] The Zandalar know not of druidic ways; nature is to be shaped by their need, not the other way around. Still, a haruspex is the one of them most in tune with nature, and rightly so. To give up the ghost of a beast is to know what it is to be one of them. That is the real power of nature.[2] The ultimate symbol of a haruspex’s power is what they wear. Of these, the tunic symbolizes the connection between themselves and the divine wisdom they seek. It often weaves parts of the beasts they sacrifice into the tunic; this reminds them of the connection they have to their gifts.[3]
Not copying the Zandalari methods of haruspex stuff, mind; but something similar - shaping the wildlife to their needs and their whims and not the other way around.
Again… why do they need the trolls? Why do they need to adopt troll methodology?
They’ve already shown mastery over nature. High Botanist Freywinn was a notable Blood Elf druid who, granted, we had to kill, but he was able to use tree form and cast healing spells when you fought him.
Blizzard could simply use him, make it so that we didn’t actually kill him, and he could be the new Druid trainer for the next generation of Blood Elf Botanists/Druids.
I wasn’t saying they needed the trolls, i mean moreso about just shaping nature to their will in general. We already see that the Blood Elves aren’t exactly the most druidic sort around, what with the elves having used arcane to unnaturally shape Eversong into what it is today. They do not live in true harmony with the land; they’ll gladly snap their fingers and use arcane to bend it into whatever they want.
And that’s fine. Let them get their druidic power in that manner. They’ve already demonstrated, again, through High Botanist Freywinn, that it is possible for members of their race to take on Druid forms.
This is a discussion and discussions sometimes have dissenting opinions.
Otherwise you’re not lookin for a discussion, you’re looking for an echo chamber.
If you don’t want a discussion, then you can leave.
Because every race is suppose to have their own identity, with the classes reflecting their “culture” and vice versa. But if either side of that coin needs to be twisted or stretched to the point that it’s origins is unrecognizable, then all you’re doing is trying to fit a square block into triangle shaped hole.
People point to Tel’arn and Freywinn as a sort of proof of concept to argue for expanding druids, but there is a reason why those characters are explicitly referred to as Botanists.
Botanists =/= Druids.
Botanist may share some similarities (largely with the restoration spec), but one single spec should not be enough to justify an entire class. And if it is, it’s because there is a gameplay specific reason for it (Forsaken priests).
Are there other outliers? Sure. But that’s all they are, outliers. Not the norm and certainly not justifications for a radical change of an entire race.
Fact is, unfortunately, that Blizzard has decided that we’re moving beyond class/race restrictions and have moved into the territory of ‘every class will be available to every race’.
So Blood Elf Druids are happening, one way or another.
The best way to justify them is through the Botanists, who already exist in Blood Elf culture and have ties to Druidism.
But it is still the best way to give Blood Elves the druid class, lore wise. The concept only needs to be expanded on. Better that than them learning from Tauren or Trolls, who have different ways of getting Druid powers that don’t really jive with Blood Elf culture.
it away because you don’t want cultures to advance and adapt is really just… Odd to me.