Blood Elf and Void Elf factions should have been switched

No it’s not non-canon. It even was re-released without any changes to that story.

Garithos isn’t even the whole reason we aren’t in the Alliance anymore.

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He is the only reason the blood elves are not in the Alliance. Had the blood elves join a different group of survivors things might be a totally different story today.

Also, it was re-release without any changes because that is what Blizzard wanted, just the same, incorrect/original, version that we initially had. Or did you forget Suramar was in ruins in Warcraft 3?

No he is not. The reasons we left, our King did not believe you had our best interests at heart. That Alliance had died off, and the new Alliance still didn’t approve of our efforts for survival and we had already allied ourselves with the Forsaken who were the previous Scourge but now were fighting back against the Scourge to help us protect Silvermoon. And the Nelves did not trust us.

Chronicles is the only one that Blizz has come out and said it’s lore is shaky and specific:

Q: After the Maghar orcs scenario, what happened to that alternate Draenor? What’s up with the lightbound?
A: That Draenor is still out there ,the light still has a presence on it. Those things, we keep in the back pocket, and if something really fits that’s something we can grab to look at under a new set of circumstances. Right now it’s life and death but light and void is very interesting to explore. This is just the first step on exploring the cosmology. Chronicle is written from a specific point of view (titans) but it is canon - more stuff did happen behind the scenes though, and you’ll find some explained in Shadowlands.

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You mean after his whole speech to Terenas about how it was the Alliance’s fault that the forest of Quel’thalas burned even though if not for the hundreds of Alliance lives that died there might not have been a Quel’thalas left? :upside_down_face:

Most of the Alliance didn’t even know about Garithos/what he did to the blood elves. Hence why Matthias Shaw blamed him for the blood elves leaving.
Edit: there is no “old/new Alliance”, it has always been one organization with different members.

Doesn’t change how Anasterian felt and when the King said, we leave, most left.

Which is why Garithos isn’t the only reason.

They say in that paragraph that it’s only canon from a point of view. That is their way of saying Chronicles has some conflicts with game lore because it’s from the Titans’ pov and that isn’t always in line with what actually happened. It’s their out for not having to stick with Chronicles.

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But at the same time it means it can be considered as canon as anything else until we actually get something contradicting it. And the current lore is the blood elves were given menial task as oppose to suicidal ones.

That doesn’t make him right either. Also, the irony of it all that because he decided to isolate him kingdom he ultimately further doomed himself and his people because it mean Quel’thalas did not have anyone else to turn to/couldn’t find reinforcement.

You have something contradicting it. The actual game that with the lore that most people know, have played and care about. Most people don’t even care about the books.

And nothing I said, said that he was right. In context of the story the Alliance was heavily thinned out. But Anasterian was suspicious of the Alliance and had biases himself. But even he is just one of many reasons we aren’t in the Alliance.

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And again Chronicles came after it. In Warcraft 3 Suramar was a ruin but it was retconned. The same could be said of Garithos. He was not trying to kill Kael. Garithos was an incompetent and bigoted commander but even he wasnt going out of his way to kill blood elves.

Except had Garithos not been a thing in Warcraft 3, the blood elves would have rejoined the Alliance, and potentially permanently.

Doesn’t matter because Blizz made it clear they’ll only take lore from it when it suits them. So the books aren’t worth a damn.

He absolutely was trying to kill Kael.

And a number of other things turned out differently. Because remember, that Alliance died off. And then we found solace in the Forsaken helping us. It’s not all about the Alliance. Sometimes you just find a new group of friends. Sometimes they were previous enemies. And you’ve made amends. And become bros for life.

It’s time to build a bridge, really. There are people that are close to being able to drive that were born when Belves went Horde.

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Orcs, nightborn and blood elves are natural besties.

They can bond over blowing up the world and/or selling out to the Burning Legion!

Orcs just blew up their world a bit harder.

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Nothing in the chronicles contradicts Garithos trying to kill off Kael’thas indirectly.
Yes, he did assign the Blood Elves to what Kael’thas perceived as menial tasks.

Once again, I gotta ask, did you even play WC3: Frozen Throne? If you did, you may want to replay it again.

They were told to rebuild observatory towers, to which Kael’thas responded that his people were warriors - aka, rebuilding was not their function.

The chronicles make Garithos’ intentions even more obvious

“Before long, the scourge launched a counterattack to take Dalaran and crush the Alliance resistance. The battle would be one of the largest waged in Lordaeron since the kingdom’s fall. For Kael’thas and his blood elves, it would be the last they would ever fight under Garithos’s banner. As the scourge advanced, part of the undead army began amassing on the Alliance’s flank. Garithos dispatched blood elves to the new front and commanded them to stop the undead before they reached Dalaran. Kael’thas and his people obeyed, but victory seemed impossible. Garithos had divided the blood elf forces, keeping most of their soldiers under his own command on the main battlefront. The scourge were poised to overrun Kael’thas when aid arrived from Lady Vashj and her naga.”

Aka, Garithos sent Kael’thas and his blood elves into a suicide mission, had it not been for the naga. Aka, near-suicidial.

Damn, that I had to slam the chronicles book back up on the table after them collecting dust for so long.

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Most people that play alliance don’t care… at all.

Again, it wasnt because he wanted Kael to die(he probably didnt care if he lived either). If anything Garithos was just a crappy commader made worse by being bigoted.

Also you mention missions with an S. This particular battle was the only time Garithos actually sent Kael on a dangerous/near suicidal mission. Which again implies he was not actively sending Kael/his blood to die any and every chance he got and that they were relegated to mostly menial tasks.

To be fair, he was also probably trying to kill the dwarves following him.

Dwarves are just harder to kill.

And who cares what humans from Loredaron think? Most of them are the blood elves’ backup emergency BFFs in case all the nightborn vanish in a tragic winery explosion these days, anyway.

The problem with the Zandalari is that they ARE the architects behind the Troll Wars, and the entire reason the High Elves had been losing and needed to seek out aid from other races, namely, the humans (although BFA told us that even the Night Elves assisted them). Then you have the Zandalari Prophet reviving the Amani and Gurubashi in Cataclysm, causing further mayhem in MoP, etc…

Like… imagine for a moment that humans were responsible for the mass genocide of the Blood Elves, with Garithos as the architect (and I do mean on a level the Scourge committed, not that paltry attempt at killing Kael’thas and his followers). Now imagine those Humans are joining the Horde, that Garithos is included (although slated to be a dungeon/raid boss, but you get the idea).

So, what is the amazingly written story to overcome these ancient, ancient hatreds between these two groups?

Blood Elves acting as tourists in Stormwind and never talking about the genocide of their people.

-Shrugs- A good story it is not, in my opinion.

The real High elves HERE

And the Zandalari Prophet in that very story tries to kill the King of Zandalar. There is a schism among Zandalari.

It depends. Are they the same humans? Because most of the Forsaken are not. They are in the Horde and helped us protect Silvermoon after being broken away from the Scourge.

I already mentioned what they overcame. Things changed within the Horde, people changed too. Some of those people weren’t the same people that did things to Helves. Same race =/= guilty of the same things.

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Revantusk ARE in the Horde.

Though criminally and to my eternal displeasure, not playable in any form at the moment.

They aren’t in the Horde. But are friendly to the Horde and we get quests from them. They haven’t tried to slaughter me so far, so that’s progress I guess…

This might have been a good idea IF void elves had even been a glimmer in someone’s eye back in BC.

Hindsight…