I think if you take a moment to go back and read, you might…might realize the irony in your reply. Maybe. I’m not optimistic, though.
Hhhhhmmmmm…
No links yet assumed outside advertising? Thats the very definition of insinuated.
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This right here…doesn’t even make sense. Maybe clarify your point.
You judged him off of his IO score and rating and said he has no business posting anything stream related due to such low progression, which is an Elitist attitude and unacceptable. Most people who stream arent KSH, KSM, Glads or Heros. Theyre people who enjoy expanding their community and finding like minded individuals who enjoy the same content they do without being judged by people such as yourself who goes off of numbers in a video game to determine someone’s worth
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I believe my point was that no one should be cluttering up LFG with stream-related garbage, particularly not someone who’s stream likely offers nothing of value. By the looks of the raid progression and IO, it’s pretty clear this person isn’t on the razor edge of raid progression, demonstrating meta dungeon routes/pulls, or anything of the sort. This late in the season…in the expansion, for that matter, there are plenty of high quality resources out there. Droves of people have been there, done that. There is zero reason that the rest of us should need to sift through advertisements, let alone advertisements for streams of people failing their way through content that’s been nerfed into the ground.
As for the rest of your post, I’m not sure exactly where you’re going with it.
I think you really need to define what you mean by elitist. Also, who made you the absolute adjudicator of moral rectitude? Unacceptable?
Let’s unpack this. First, it is, in fact, a video game in which numbers do matter. We have meters for a multitude of variables, and these taken through the lens of situational conditions can give us a relative sense of performance, if not skill.
While WoW does have a great number of “participation trophies,” some things are earned and not simply given out. Performance matters. Your ability to do a certain amount of damage, heal a certain amount of missing health, withstand an onslaught of attacks, respond quickly to mechanics, execute interrupts, move efficiently through a dungeon, or communicate on the fly…all of these things actually do matter. And, if I’m looking to accomplish goals such as timing a +20, I’m not filling the group with DPS pulling under 10k, a tank that overpulls or can’t blow CDs, and a healer that stands in all mechanics or is doing less than half the healing of the tank. Likewise, I’m not going to invite someone with a 500 IO into a +20.
You can call it elitist. You can believe it’s unacceptable. But, it’s actually practical. realistic.
Second, it seems like you’re conflating the OP’s value as a player and value as a person. If we’re talking about someone’s in-game value to a group, ABSOLUTELY…numbers do matter, as described above. As for the latter, I don’t believe I’ve made any evaluative judgments of the OP as a person, beyond that of behaviors gleaned from posts here. I certainly didn’t draw any conclusions based on an IO score.
That being said, I thought it would be fun to take a stab at figuring you out. If I had to guess, you’re likely a very average player, one with an inflated view of your own abilities and value. You’ve likely been turned down more than a few times for groups in higher end content, and instead of attributing that to a performance threshold you’re not meeting, you’ve opted to externalize and insist that people who do not allow you into their groups are somehow flawed. Perhaps, you subscribe to something akin to Howard Gardner’s theory of multiple intelligences and have a concurrent belief that the sum of all abilities is equal across individuals. Given that these people perform better at a video game, they must be lacking in some other metric, such as morality, ethics, or helpfulness. Perhaps, vilifying those that reject you serves to preserve your ego. Moreover, you seize the opportunity to paint yourself as morally superior, in an attempt to bolster what is likely a fragile, if not poor, self-image.
Conversely, I’m guessing you, like most people, exercise a certain level of discrimination in group creation or group selection. You likely aren’t stacking a +15 with fresh ungeared 60s, or as you scroll down the applicant list in LFG, you’re probably choosing higher ilvl and IO over lower. Whatever the case may be, you do discriminate; you don’t randomly click the invite button and hope the group works out. This discrepancy not only denotes hypocrisy but also connotes a degree of narcissism; others’ treatment of you is important, not your treatment of others.
Now, you might see this as hyperbolic or unapplicable. You might view your behavior as acceptable, whereas the exclusionary criteria employed by others is bad, evil, unjust, or whatever derogatory adjective you care to use. This reinforces, however, the idea of narcissism in that you operate within a narrow. fixed viewpoint, centered on yourself and your belief system, projecting it onto the world as an absolute. You are the adjudicator of right and wrong, just and unjust, acceptable and unacceptable.
Saved you the part that you failed to read. It doesn’t matter if it’s of “value” to you, it’s them building a community that doesn’t include people such as yourself that relies on them being great at something.
Figure that out before you come in attempting to justify your position as someone who can dictate who should stream and who shouldn’t.
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Blizzard sort your stuff out. Bans streamers yet endorses no skilled players buying carries lol gg. Hopeless.
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Viewer RBGs are insanly fun unlike a lot of things in this game right now.
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Correct, but you can see they’re already down in number this evening and streamers are talking openly to their viewers about how concerned they are of the mass-false-reporting happening. You’re unfortunately not going to influence positive change in here though.
The paid carry groups get around reporting bans by deferring to discord using proxy accounts to organize groups. The Activision shill mentioned earlier in the thread that their proprietary definition of advertising doesn’t cover Discord, so it’s more work and coordination, but bypasses the false-flagging situation.
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IQ 90 - Blizzard should embrace their IP’s rather than destroy them.
IQ 120 - Blizzard should embrace their Streamers rather than Punish them.
IQ 150 - Blizzard should embrace their Players rather than Punish them.
IQ 200 - Blizzard should embrace New Players rather than Drive Them Away.
When your response doesn’t make sense…
Edit: Okay, okay…we’ll award 1/2 point for switching to an alt and attempting a strawman argument.
Ill award you no points for assuming i swapped to an alt on purpose just for you, and im still wairing on the next excuse as to why you think you have the right to tell people who should stream and who shouldnt.
But that will never come.
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Strawman argument.
you need help Estyxium
More than likely even mentioning your twitch name falls under this:
“Prohibited Commercial Uses: Exploit, in its entirety or individual components, the Platform for any purpose not expressly authorized by Blizzard, including, without limitation (i) playing the Game(s) at commercial establishments (subject to Section 1.B.v.3.); (ii) gathering in-game currency, items, or resources for sale outside of the Platform or the Game(s); (iii) performing in-game services including, without limitation, account boosting or power-leveling, in exchange for payment; (iv) communicating or facilitating (by text, live audio communications, or otherwise) any commercial advertisement, solicitation or offer through or within the Platform;”
Ad hominem.
But, if you’d like to go that route, let’s look at the intelligent responses you’ve injected into this discourse, shall we?
Given your apparent lack of education, I would suggest that you either stay in school…or return to it. I am, likewise, assuming you’ve no idea what an ad hominem argument is, so your first step into a larger, more intelligent world will be to go look that up.
I doubt anyone hates streamers that make a living playing games. What the community finds annoying are folks that try to use LFG to advertise their “streams” to get paid for playing the game. Just because you stream your game time into the aether doesn’t make you a Streamer.
Keep trying to get folks to pay you to play WOW. I would love to get paid to play WOW so I wish you luck. Just don’t use LFG to advertise.
This is asinine and shows a lack of understanding on how streaming works. The only way a streamer gets “paid” is if the viewers who willingly follow the stream decide to donate, subscribe, or even “cheer” with “bits”, all of which is their decision. There is no one forcing anyone to “pay the streamer” to play the game, and we don’t make money off of just viewcount alone.
Learn how the system works before you get judgemental and claim we’re all getting paid when most of us just turn on a camera and interact with people that we’ve chosen to have as an online family to enjoy the game with.
Oh, I know that’s what most streamers are doing and I know that the vast majority don’t get paid to stream. But you’re kidding yourself if most streamers aren’t hoping that their follower count and views get high enough that they could monetize the their stream and get paid to play the game.
You don’t need to mention your stream in LFG if you’re merely looking to hang out.
Streamers, like all influencers, need to get a real job!
(Yes, I’m old and a little jelly)
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