There are plenty of crafted things in WoW that have value, notably legendary base pieces, herbs, enchants, and alchemy products.
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I wasnât debating that, just saying thatâs a way casual crafters can ekk out ahead of bots.
Thanks for the info. Iâm a very casual FFXIV player as WoW is my main game so I wasnât privy to the info you provided.
I donât honestly have an issue with paid runs themselves, moreso that it is vastly nore lucrative than any other method when accounting for time investment vs. reward considering the paid runs are just re doing content theyâve already done and would have done without the monetary gain at least once.
Are the paid runs in FFXIV disproportionately lucrative to other forms of currency aquisition? If so then it seems as if it may not be very helpful at all regardless of the fact that I still like the way they so their professions.
The main difference is that we have m+ now, brokers were a thing even before Legion. I have been selling carries since cata, normal and heroic raids back then, plus gold challenge mode in mop and WoD. We never run out of âcustomersâ, basically every weekend we were able to sell as many as we wanted.
It was easier and easier to find people to sell carries, token or no token the amount of carries being bought wouldnât change that much, especially with how easy it is to carry a +15. People are going to want that sweet loot/mount/achiev no matter what and they would get the gold one way or another.
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A big problem is that people who do paid runs are doing it to fund their regular activities. The amount of time/gold that people need to sink into potions is absurd, at this point.
Int pots are US median 138g right now, for example, and youâll probably be going through around 20-30 potions per night during raid progression. And thatâs just a portion of it (feasts/food are also incredibly expensive).
Lower the mats on potions and food and youâll see the farm-botting die down considerably.
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Yeah, but this further reduces the impact of professions which I think is a negative. I dunno. It seems like most solutions have an obvious flaw of some sort and idk which is the most acceptable.
Itâs alright. I just have come from enough 14 to have jaded burnout brainrot so I have nasty things to say 
Itâs about the same there, albeit I believe moreso. On certain data centers itâs hard to find groups, so theyâre a target audience for run sellers.
I was friends with some people who did Ultimate carries, and I wonât get into too many specifics but Iâd say they absolutely base the price on what data center they were selling to. Sometimes RMT was involved if the asking price couldnât be met with gil, sometimes not. Itâs definitely more rewarding than doing the crafting game.
I donât have an issue with it since the people who are buying carries wouldnât be doing the content anyway. Which has been said to death in this thread, but it needs repeating.
Iâd just wish theyâd add a tab for it in PF. It helps people looking for actual groups and people looking for carries. Win/win.
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Potions didnât used to cost this absurd amount of money. It started in Legion when they increased the herb components of potions. They increased it again in BfA and again in Shadowlands.
Blizzardâs aim seems to be encouraging botting, at this point, since they keep taking actions that will obviously create more and more herb bots.
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I think the new tab is the most reasonable solution Iâve heard so far. I canât shake the feeling that thereâs some type of obvious solution here that Iâm missing but oh well.
Tbh, the only reason I have an issue with them is because Iâll never pay for a carry nor offer them because it doesnât interest me. I donât care much if others do but not for me.
I think if there were more paths to making similar amounts of gold that are not selling runs or flipping/playing the ah I wouldnât have an issue with it at all. For instance, in classic I can make more than enough gold simply by grinding mobs which is far from efficient. Add in professions and other semi efficient gold making methods and I can afford nearly everything I need with a little effort even when taking into account the economy being absolutely whack on classic. The boosters make infinitely more gold but I dont care because I have tons of options to make enough gold.
In retail every reliable method of making gold is not something I have interest in so I wonât do it. I think thatâs where my real issue is. There need to be more methods of acquiring a moderate amount of gold. Assuming those are in place and everyone (for the most part) can find at least one method they enjoy for their gold making purposes I donât think anyone cares too much about the people sitting at gold cap on many toons.
Alright, that got a bit rambly haha. Cheers.
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The only viable solution I see is making professions able to be learned (all of them) by one character but all products are soulbound including gathering products. It would fix the problem (I think) but it does not sound fun at all.
No, I am fine with guilds selling runs etc to help build revenue for their gbank to fund their raids.
There is a difference between 5 druids flying around node to node farming all the herbs/ore and destroying a server economy as oppose to players selling carries for gold.
I donât think you know what pay to win means.
If you carry a friend through content without compensation, is it really any different?
Carries for everything have taken over the game. Retail has become Pay to Win with the Token System. The only way they could change that now would be to remove the purchase of tokens and we know thatâs not going to happen. It makes Blizzard way to much money.
Blizzard isnât going to change it because they make to much money from it.
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Again, any proof of this?
Youâre demanding proof that you know will never exist in order to deny it. The best we will ever have is circumstantial and we know that in Q1 2021 earnings, Blizzard announced microtransactions had exceeded subscriptions in revenue % largely driven by token sales. What do you think people are spending those tokens on?
You can be as intellectually dishonest as you like but each month more people get sick of it and unsubscribe and soon the game will just be boosters and boost purchasers because all the non-boosting players will have left.
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I want proof that carries are âtaking over the gameâ as people keep saying.
Itâs an outrageous claim and has nothing backing it up.
Good news! You can still work together with others to do things without taking away the carries other people enjoy getting/giving.
You can open your LFG tool ingame or trade chat now and see the proof for yourself. Thereâs dozens of posts on reddit about it, hereâs just one: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/ncw0as/just_rename_the_lfg_to_lfb_looking_for_boost/
https://i.redd.it/3als2ys9j9z61.jpg
Itâs plainly obvious youâre not interested in an honest debate at this point, so I donât expect you to do so nor will I be responding any further to someone intentionally gaslighting everyone about their lived experience.
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No damage.
This might be true, Iâd be interested in seeing the actual numbers however.
I completely respect your opinion. Even if I completely disagree with it. 
The most basic interaction a player has with the game is accepting money for completing tasks. Thatâs basically whatâs going on with paying for a run, youâre just replacing an NPC for an actual player.
I donât think the runs themselves need to be addressed. Let people spend their money how they see fit, thatâs what itâs for. If you earn it, you dictate how you spend it. That being said, the advertising can be a bit annoying, and might be an issue that has to be solved, some how.
You are the one sttating things as fact and when challenged on it you state there is no proof. And you have the gall to call people intellectually dishonest.
At this point you are trolling.
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As I keep explaining, a lot of people offering something doesnât mean anyone is buying. In fact, a large number of postings for sales probably shows that theyâre fighting for buyers because buyers are few.
In any case, Blizzard made posting sales in LFG a violation of the TOS a long time ago, they need to get their act together and enforce that.
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