But from Blizzard’s perspective, people who complain about them but continue to play don’t really matter. It doesn’t affect the cost/benefit analysis unless people unsub because of it. And I don’t think it’s actually caused many people to do that.
Pretty much everyone on this forum that complains about bots is still playing and paying their $15.
You’re obviously missing the point there… People with that much gold probably didn’t get it by raw farming only… Thats like saying there cant possibly be worth billionaires because to have that much money even working 20 hours a day every day of your life you’d still have to make 800k an hour!1!1. Pretty clear at some point you’re using money to make money and growth becomes exponential.
Dude claimed he farmed 198k gold in DM E, which is why I said that.
It’s a job i would enjoy doing i would love the business adventure learning new things, i love world of Warcraft, god knows this pandemic struggle is hard on all of us and would be a great way to get back on my feet. If they were hiring for this type of position
I mean… its probably like saying Bill Gates made his money working on computers. Yea that’s how it started… but there’s more to it. And the herbing/lashers were just gravy money. I know locks who could make a few hundred an hour when arcanite was at its peak.
This is rubbish. Yeah its hard to develop an algorithm to defeat all botting.
But thats never been the solution. Hiring a few GMs who hang out watching ZG, DM, obvious farming spots, checking /who lists would fix 95% of the problems and make it very difficult to keep bots running.
Blizzard doesnt want to fix the bot problems or theyd take some of thrir profits and hire GMs (they had GMs in 2004 for vanilla ffs, its not like they dont know how to fix this lol)
I mean come on, who do you think those unguilded mages in ZG and strat with names like aishdhdidkwoaoshd are? I could ban hundreds of bots in an hour easily. Like what is this nonsense.
It keeps us from resubbing to TBC. Players now have enough information to know a good private server is better than what Blizzard is capable of running.
Not sure if your trolling here but of course i was talking about the coding. The people that have been making mmos for years have coded cheat software like this for longer than wow has been out. I am quite sure that wow has that code on some level. So yes the game DOES know what you do since it has to take that iformation and tell it how and what to do with your character
The client can send that iformation to the server but the server should be able to know A) if the class can do that B) if OTHER classes and people actaully did those things.
If you hit blink you are expected to travel X distnace ever Y cooldown. Changing that should be something that is qutie clear to the System to see when it runs the check. That is an easy fix for blizzard Like wise Summoning without 3 other people on the other end.
Under your assumption is not that blizzard is just plain incompetent as other mmos have been doing this for years with far less issues than blizzard has now.
Stop telling me its hard to code. Stop telling everyone its hard to code. Beside a few people there is nobody saying its easy to code. The problem is these issues are not new and blizzard has done very little to stop the Bots and farmers in the past 3 expansions on live and they just migrated here since money to be made. Now you can say its hard but 6 years is more than enough time to clamp down on the bots that Farmed Botanica until Shadowlands or that abused hyper spawns. Ever so often ban wave goes out but more often than not. They just return.
I feel like blizzard is window dressing the botting issue. It looks good when they do something but after that no real SUBSTANTIAL changes. And its not cause codding is hard. its because there is a lack of will to really clamp down on bots.
Its like trying to explain Blue or the concept of “lying” to someone… If you don’t get it by now man, I just don’t think you’re gonna get it.
That’s not how any of this works.
No they havent. (But just for the lulz… Give me an example of a game you think has a good handle on botting.)
Those few people being… people with an actual understanding of the mechanics. Which very clearly does not include yourself.
Yea man. Codding is easy. You’re totally right. Who am I to argue with an expert codder like yourself. I stand corrected.
Theres a whole host of reasons that’s not true… and I’m pretty sure you know that.
Oh, COME ON. Any private server worth its salt wouldn’t allow world buffs in the current raiding tier, for example. They’ve been going at it for a while now, they know what works and doesn’t and Blizzard took all that knowledge and threw it in the garbage. Do you have more fun collecting world buffs or struggling on Kronos to “new” content?
I have done coding so i get how hard and time consuming it can be. Not at the level of designing an MMO but enough to know that little things are going to make it that much harder. I also get how big WoW is and undersatnd how difficult it is going to be to make changes like this.
For me though i dont want to just settle with. Well they could be doing better but its hard. Blizzard is one of the top players in the industry. I dont need them to get every bot but what they are doing now. Doesnt feel like they are trying that hard to get the ones that do exsist.
I also did GM work at Warhammer Online for a bit so i did the GM thing where you documented bots and sent it up to other people to confirm account shutdown. Its time consuming and you NEVER want to be the person that messes it up. To me Blizzard tossed the whole system to an automated algo and runs it ever so often on bots they have caught.
DAoC had speed hackers and other bots that would be in the world farming endlessly. Older game but they had the system know how fast people were moving and alert GMs.
More modern game is FFXIV who had an AWFUL botting plague similar to wow classic getting nodes. Players complained and evtually they were able to get bots under much better control. Not all of them but its FAR better than it was.
I look forward to seeing your CV about how you are the greatest server architext in the history of the world and your just moonlighting as a person who likes to tell others how hard programming is.
See above
And also the SR Tech Design on an MMO too. Man who knew you were the expert for all these things ordained from on high to tell us plebs the REAL thing with how coding an MMO is.
Actually just did a few google searches. The largest MMO’s right now (other than WOW) are what: Eve, FFXIV, Guild Wars, Black Desert Online?
BD online doesn’t care about bots
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/6scysj/they_dont_care/
FFXIV is being ruined by bots
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/aunl5c/the_bot_farm_problem_and_how_it_affects_the_game/
We’ve asked 1000 for a botting solution in EVE
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/am4e6t/the_botting_problem_a_solution_weve_asked_for/
Elder Scrolls has a serious botting problem
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460433/serious-botting-problem-na
In fact… the only botting success story I can find seems to be LOTRO. How did LOTRO kill bots? Well… it died. So now no one plays so no one buys gold… so no one bots. So to act like its a problem exclusive to WOW or Blizzard products is absurdly naive.
How many people played Warhammer Online? 10? 20? Millions of people play Wow… its not exactly the same thing.
Call me old fashioned… but I feel like if you can’t even spell the job… you probably shouldn’t be giving lectures on it. I usually don’t get my drains fixed by Plummers or my physicals done by Dokters. But again… thats just me.
I think a more simple way of putting it is
Nerds versus Nerds
However, unlike the movies the Good Guys always lose - the Good Nerds
Blizzard just needs better nerds.
Good nerds cost money
Old people don’t understand nerds
Old people own the Board
Old people still dictate company decisions
Old people are responsible for the companies finances
Excellent nerds remain unemployed due to their social skills and not being able to find employment to put their skills to good use
Hiring departments are HR only people - they just read CV’s
The HR lady that sits with you and the interviewer doesn’t understand nerds
The wrong nerds get hired
These nerds then undergo training from a book point of view
These nerds will then follow traditional methods of resolving problems
Leaving the Good Nerds that think outside of the box to be on the opposite side of the spectrum
Basically, what I’m saying is - if you’re looking for someone to blame… Blame old people.
1 year ago
And the problem they are dealing with is nearly the same one that has to do with resoruces for low level nodes which SE has worked harder to clean up. Some of the problems in the thread were effect MSQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/irfi2f/i_never_noticed_how_bad_botting_in_ffxiv_until/
Ill link you one though that people are talkign about botting in current content. Except people are saying its account sharing so it may not eve BE botting.
I dont expect botting to go away that would be like expecting people to stop trying to break encryption and security. I do expect blizzard to put in effort to keep the bot population lower than it currently is.
Ok, so when did they miraculously solve the bot problem then? I was just looking at posts on FFXIAH from 2 months ago where people are bragging about how easy it is to get away with botting…
They could automate catching a lot of the ***we're up to, but they don't. I think they're also naive enough to think it's just one person doing something.
I play 6 chars, i was indeed boting cp at apex eft camp. What i noticed is that, out of 6 chars doing the same thing, only 2 got temped.
Literally no gaming company on the planet is able to keep bots out. If you’re a small private server or dead game where you have dozens of players vs millions and theres little incentive to bot then yea… probably a lot fewer botters. For any large MMO though…
See? This guy gets it! I think…
Just logged in to FFXIV did the exact same thing as the Top post mentioned and went and looked at the a few of the players. None of them were bots. Does that mean everyone of them wasnt. No but there is not an Epedemic like in wow.
Though if you want to say that FFXIV is less popular and all the bots left cause no money to be had feel free to go that route.
Clearly not but its nto speical either as you pointed out. Bots go where there is money and for the time that it was popular bots were in Warhammer selling gold.
Not old fashioned enough to understand what a Curriculum Vitae is clearly but do go on telling me how im uneducated. Also still waiting on that CV so you can back your words up and show how much of a brilliant person and better than everyone you are at programming is.
Dude… This is a post from literally less than a month ago… When did they solve the botting problem, last week rofl?
from SE’s perspective it’s working as intended. If they ban accounts and the RMT spammers have to pay $20-$60 for a new copy of the game to replace a banned account, then SE profits off of RMT spammers returning.
There are probably more drastic measures SE could take to stop RMT, but why bother when it creates a stable way for them to make money off ineffectually banning accounts? RMT bots destabilize the in-game markets trivially, and are already accepted as part of the game experience. No one currently playing is going to cancel their sub because of RMT spammers. It’s a pretty effective relationship. RMT spammers make money off people who buy gil and lose money on purchasing copies of the game when banned, but they consider that an “operating cost.” SE makes money when RMT spammers need to buy new copies of the game, and look like they’re trying to protect the userbase by constantly banning accounts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/keuow9/actions_taken_against_ingame_rmt_other_illicit/
Like… that could literally be a post from these forums about WOW. SE is a massive company too. And they’ve been around longer than Blizz, both as a company and in the MMO space. And they STILL can’t get bots under control, even in a much smaller game…
And this is why in game GM’s should be brought back to the game.
Maybe you should actually read what SE is posting and not just read the headline. It might help you understand what SE is reporting
Real money trading (RMT) and other illicit activities upset the balance of the game and, as such, are prohibited under the Terms of Service.
We have confirmed that a number of players are engaging in these illicit activities and have therefore taken the actions listed below.
Time Period: Dec. 10, 2020 to Dec. 16, 2020
・Participation in RMT/prohibited activities
・Accounts terminated: 3,512
・RMT advertising
・Accounts terminated: 687
Cmon my little neutron star. Blizzard does the same thing. Literally the exact same thing… and people respond in literally the exact same way. Literally.