After doing Mythic zero in the new expansion I can definitely see the developers pushing the game towards “healers should just heal”. The 40/40 change cements this.
This thread about sums up why I don’t heal.
Waaaaaaaaaaay too much drama.
had an evoker in my m0 pools dungeon pulling 20k dps as a healer.
The ones who want to improve will,
The ones who don’t, wont.
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Evoker is a bit broken right now and can do that much dps with living flame spam + breath. It’ll get nerfed.
You think this, but there are tons of people out there who blame the healer’s low DPS for missing key timers. Usually it’s the same people who stand in fire and force the healer to heal way too much so they have no spare GCDs to DPS.
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There are multiple different camps of people on this; yes, there are absolutely players who expect top tier DPS from their healer even in a +2. I don’t think anyone is disputing this.
The problem is that there are more reasonable people in this thread who keep repeating the notion that their only expectation is that a healer will remain busy during the instance. Unless your group is magnetically attracted to fire, every instance will feature times where no healing is required (including any healing prep the proactive healing specs have to perform), and spending that time DPSing as the healer increases your chances of success in that key by some amount. That chance of success increase may be infinitesimally small and the instance may already have had a near 100% success rate to begin with, but the success chance is there nonetheless.
Most players who are looking to die on the hill that healers should never DPS want to group these two camps of players together. The former is an unreasonable group of players who you will likely never convince that a healer doesn’t need to play perfectly to succeed in a +2. The latter won’t care what the DPS number from the healer is so long as it’s greater than zero and the instance was a success.
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that’s weird because every pug run I did healers were dpsing because they’re so bored w/ no real dmg happening even when I pulling the whole dungeon
On the topic, I’ve been loving my new Nature’s Vigil talent as Feral. When you use Primal Wrath to put Rip on everyone and use Double-Clawed Rake to put Rake on everyone… all those DoTs are technically “single-target damage.” Which means my Nature’s Vigil is contributing a pretty significant amount of healing during the heaviest pulls. This is on top of my Regrowths on the tank every CP cycle and Renewals on myself when I get low.
Use useful abilities when they’re useful gang. Healers should do damage when they get the chance and DPS should do healing when they get the chance.
I’m sorry but I am always healing and managing cd’s not my job to DPS. Just like those I heal take care of there roles.
yes remove the ability to DPS for healers gonna love and wish I could see the subs being canceled because the game has more than one playstyle and requires them to drag a DPS along in world content to survive.
If you need your healers to DPS then you’re not very good at DPS. I’d rather our healers were paying attention and watching out for dispels and whatnot than distracted for a second by trying to run a DPS rotation. Play at your level and you’ll be fine.
Healers must dps during gcd is just an elitist thing. they talk about it just to talk.
nothing in this game is that crucial since LK. you all just run cookie cutter dungeons, raids, mythics, keys. its just fun and content. Its not that serious tho. Its so boring that is why elitist’s come up with this notion while they raid. hmmm lets see how i can troll and be noticed. its been quite boring since i got all my gear.
So yes, you’re the epitome of “I twiddle my thumbs rather than DPS.”
Okay. Guess tanks and DPS shouldn’t ever self-heal then, ever, right? 
Also, nice two month Necro.
If you as a healer are incapable of sparing globals to do practically free damage, you’re not a good healer.
you have stated over and over and made references to a good healers vs bad healers. a good healer or bad healer has nothing to do with whether they decide to help out with dps or not.
I don’t find any problem with a healer dpsing every once in a while for a variety of reasons. but your argument means nothing because all you want is ppl to agree that its better and it perhaps makes you a better healer or more wanted, or whateva u think and its not so.
We’ve already litigated this point over and over again. If you are a healer who, rather than doing dps while there is nothing to heal, just stands there doing nothing then you are bad at the game, and you are hindering your group. This is numerically provable, and objectively correct.
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You’re right. That is what I’m arguing. My argument is that a healer who keeps everyone alive while also doing damage is contributing more the the group than a healer who keeps everyone alive but contributes no damage. If you want to convince me otherwise, you’ll need to tell me why that’s wrong.
You’ve made it clear that you don’t think that the criteria I’m using to judge healer quality is correct, but you have supplied none of your own. I’m perfectly happy to have a discussion with you, but you haven’t actually put forward an argument for me to interact with. You already know my position and my reasoning, now I’d like to hear yours.
if you think not dpsing for a healer is hindering in any way you must not have a great dps group. healers dpsing maybe helps 1-2 %
I’ll be honest, I spam my generic DPS abilities in between heals to keep busy and I regularly get complimented for DPSing. My DPS numbers are awful but at least I’m doing SOMETHING. That’s all 95% of people ask for and it isn’t too much.
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there are more effective ways for the healer to help rather than throw some crap dps. dps for healers is not the answer at all.
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Except if your dps players are playing their absolute best, healer’s dping is still good because your groups overall damage throughout an encounter/key has only just gone up.
If you are in an encounter, and you are not trying to use every single global efficiently, which means pressing damage spells as a healer when do damage events are occurring, then you are misplaying.
It’s all anyone is asking. Just do damage, no one is asking you to gold parse damage.