Ok now we’re getting places.
Im not 100% on how uptime is tracked. Is it on pull when the tank first gains threat and ends when the boss is dead? That would mean from start to finish they were casting something 75% of the time.
I’m glad that people do look at it because it’s a useful tool to know what people are doing
That’s not what I said, so I’m going to disregard you, now. Dishonesty while trying to claim some kinda high ground is a laughable thing.
“I can just not use any cooldowns and we’ll still clear a 15.”
This is exactly what you wrote.
Stop trying to be the fun police.
I’m not as fond of change like this, but it threw me off it was hilarious. I kept thinking I was in a different forums like a different game or just not the right spot. Took me a minute to realize they updated the color scheme and I was likeee “alright, now that I got used to it, yeah this is better.”
Because many people healing are still used to MP5 rule.
Not to mention, like, healers are tracking more things than any DPS is, usually, so that has their attention just as much as health bars do. Also, to add into it is with most healing specs the amount of mana their healing spells consume is a lot compared to what it used to be, so they have to watch their mana. Yeah, damage spells cost hardly anything, but healing spells on many healing specs cost a good bit more and you could run yourself low on mana tossing heals, then tossing damage spells keeps you from getting more mana back because you’re spending it still, and then may not have enough mana for the next phase.
Some healers, like Paladins, Shamans and I think HPriests just never run oom, but other healers, like Resto Druids, the HoTs all cost a good bit each so while trying to keep Rejuvs up on each player for damage ahead of time, it basically forces you to kitty weave or else you can absolutely run OOM playing Balance spells and using up more mana to not have enough for healing phases. I think the 2 biggest mana consumers are Druids and Monks, or Druids and Disco Priests.
It doesn’t change anything. Healers should spend free globals doing DPS; if they end up with fewer free globals, they do less DPS.
If anything, this mentality will swing the balance of power back to healers that can do DPS while healing (disc priest, paladin, and to a degree monk).
I actually dps a lot when I heal. That doesn’t change that fact that 99.99% of the healers must dps crowd never see content where healers must dps. Saying healer dps will speed up a +15 considerably is like saying healer dps will speed up wailing caverns considerably. It’s completely unnecessary.
Basically this. If a healer wants to stand there afk half the dungeon because no one is taking damage, I ain’t going to complain about it, just not ever take them again.
And DPS are expected to have 95%+ uptime. It’s only fair that healers have that same expectation.
But this is not what is being said in these threads. People literally say they kick healers mid-run.
You are free to play how you want to, but to blow up a run over your own dictatorial view of how someone else should be having fun is antisocial at best.
This has always been a debate coming from the esports crowd. Any DPS worth their weight does not need the healer to DPS in a 15 key
That’s fair, but I think everyone saying they should dps already accounted for that. People getting offended over the notion are what puzzle me.
Obviously, if people are dying, you heal.
Obviously, if mana is low and some thunder’s coming, you should conserve it.
Obviously, your job is to primarily heal.
But they gave you damage spells, use them. Many of these people are presumably adults, they can make decisions on their own. Whining on a forum is just babyish.
Not about need or necessity (as pretty much everyone in favor of healers DPSing has clarified), but what defines good play and best contributes to group success. Just because you can get by in a 15 does not mean it’s the best.
nobody does this. at least not in statisically important numbers. maybe there is an idiot out there who would do it… maybe. but you’ll likely never encounter them.
there was a thread with this as the title, yes. but let me introduce you to the concept of “forum trolling”.
But it was on the forum, so it must be true.
As we all know, people on these boards know what they are talking about.
It is nice that some parts of the community understand this.
If you are working with a tight group trying to push keys as high and fast as possible, you will likely be with a healer who will do DPS. You are trying to min max runs.
If you are pugging content, you should have no expectation that the healer will be doing anything other than healing. They are playing a healer role, and they are not playing an esport.
I’m not against a type of design in which healers do some amount of incidental damage by simply healing. Tanks have had since forever and it works fine.
Some do, but people keep moaning about PI on these boards, so don’t count on it.
The threads are full of people that say this and I’m sure you will find a couple in this one too. It’s toxic, antisocial and will result in fewer healers even trying the role, which will mean fewer healers that get to a high level.
I mean, I’m right there with you that I think anyone who would boot a healer out of an active key is toxic.
but I just don’t think it actually happens. maybe I’m naive.
Hello, I’m one of those people who vote kicks healers and tanks if they are garbage on the regular.