Really depends on the guild. Most guilds hoping to get into mythic probably wouldn’t be a good fit but there are AOTC/AOTC hopeful guilds that have no interest in doing mythic that are very loose with performance expectations that wipe well over 100 times on a heroic end boss because they don’t want to bench people. There are also guilds that do not care at all about how far they get filled with a bunch of people who just want to chill, have a beer, and play some WoW.
We’ve debunked this myth time and time again. There are many different reasons people want guilds— the entire game for others doesn’t revolve around progression content.
How is the entire game instanced? There’s plenty to do out in the world, including RP.
That would be an interesting endeavor. Perhaps something we could add to the guild finder?
Somehow I don’t think most wow players will consider 8% mainstat in raids or dungeons to be a very small perk, nor would a passive 5% haste with 20 seconds of bloodlust every time you pot/as a random proc.
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The effectiveness of that in Old Republic isn’t anywhere near the same as it might be here.
You also may want to take a look at all of the other ideas coming out of this thread.
I agree that more people need to join guilds and stop pugging raids/keys. I just think that SWToR’s guild perks don’t translate very well into wow.
Then you may need to ride the pine till the guild can take you as a carry. If you’re a team player you obviously wouldn’t want to ruin it for everyone else who’s been trying hard for their AoTC too so there’s nothing wrong with waiting a bit.
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I don’t either. The example was merely to show the different ways other games try to promote communities and guilds. It was never meant to translate to WoW.
That’s cool. I guess I just have a hard time finding friendly guilds mixed in with all the “hardcore guild lfm post logs” recruitment ads. I haven’t been able to find a guild that’s helpful and inclusive so I’m just guildless atm.
I agree with most of what you said. Personally, I don’t use guild repair and do donate mats or gold once in a while, but I really do like to have access to at least first tab. If I get a new gear piece, I would like to grab an enchant from bank if not near an auction house, or if I run out of heal potion etc. No need to put expensive stuff in first tab. Most of my guildies are great, but a few are a bit cliqueish.
Are you using the in game guild finder? I didn’t run into much of that there at all.
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I wasn’t raging like anything. Facts are facts no matter how uncomfortable they make someone feel and it is a fact that guilds are setup and designed to give the GM and officers unchecked power and that power has gone to many people’s head over the years and back in pre LFG and cross realm times, this was even worse because the only recourse for a player was to either leave and find a comparable guild (hope your realm has options) or just go without progression…and even staying meant you could be treated like feces and never given a thing because the almighty GM/officers decided what you were allowed to get.
If guilds were so inherently good, then why are they supposedly “struggling” so hard? People were given options and people quickly realized those alternatives worked WAY better for their personal situation. No different than the current environment we are in now where employers low balling employees and treating them like crap are losing them to companies across the nation.
Like I said, it is up to the guild leadership itself to attract and retain members. Some guilds will still get lucky and get flocks of people wanting to join and can thus be jerks or whatever, but most guilds aren’t nearly that special and can get over themselves or can go back to Classic where the lack of options gives them a huge unfair advantage.
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Why is that reply to me D: i have nothing to do with those
One thing that needs to be kept in mind with all this, is that between the age of the game, the state of the game, and just general state of the world, guilds - and entire servers - have died, and it’s much worse on one faction than the other.
I do all old my progression content when I dabble now through communities, and if that content cannot be done cross server, I just don’t do it anymore.
After going through a fourth server death, I threw in the towel and settled for RP and relaxing over chasing kills that have no meaning to me anymore. I’m not transferring servers just to chase down the potential of a guild that suits me, nor should I be expected to put as much time into the game as a job just to run a group myself.
People who say “make your own guild” don’t seem to realize - or care - that not everybody is a leader, wants to be a leader, or is even capable of being a leader even if they want to.
There really comes a point players get tired of trying to find that “group” again to fulfill their social and progression needs, and just want to relax and play at their own pace. And that’s totally fine, and it’s where other games in the genre are thriving right now.
There also comes a point where in a game with absolutely horrendous - no - moderation, they get tired of trying to find a group in general.
My last experience joining a guild was logging into to people calling everybody who RP’d x and y cringe, and how my RP profile had better be a joke - on an alt they had asked me to bring around more often themselves. People just flat out quit games overs this, especially when there’s options that you don’t deal with that upfront upon logging in. Discord, maybe, but not in game.
I wholly believe that - especially with cross-faction coming in .5 - communities are going to become a lot more popular, especially as Mythic opens cross-realm as well.
The entire environment of both the game, and the MMORPG genre, has shifted, and th game just needs to evolve with it for guilds to remain as they were without being overshadowed by pugging and communities. Right now, what difference is there between a guild and a community outside server tags and the mythic restrictions?
Why should I join a guild over joining a community? Should communities be turned into the new guilds, and server restrictions eased because of paywalls for transfers?
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And your “facts” aren’t how all guilds work. I know many have had bad experiences and that is what needs changed.
Not all guilds struggle and the point isn’t that they’re failing but that so many people don’t want to try them. I think you’re twisting things.
And nothing being said in here is denying that.
You seem to only want to come in here and bash guilds, instead of having a constructive conversation about how to people. Which I won’t entertain further.
This I completely understand. It isn’t easy. And it does take quite a lot to lead a guild. It’s not for everyone. And not a good solution, imo.
One of the reasons this thread exists.
Communities that work are rare and far between from what I’ve noticed. And honestly communities are just cross server guilds in a way. They’re a bit of a redundancy that wasn’t executed correctly to work alongside guilds.
But this IS about communities, as well. Because we see so many people who are still pugging instead of being part of a community.
Hmm. I’m not sure how much that will help things, but it’s an interesting thought to consider in some form.
I have no idea! I apologize. LOL
Except in my prior response I did give multiple examples of ways guilds can attract and retain members. For example, pay for their repairs and consumables is an easy first option. Guarantee that all members will get their AOTC achivements and YOU bend over backwards to work with THEIR schedule to do it. Make being part of a guild a benefit to THEM because you realize they don’t need YOU anymore.
I’m not sorry you are twisting my words to bash guilds. I’m simply stating guilds are an inherent negative to many people and no longer needed in the modern age to see/do content where before you were beholden to them and forced to kiss the ring and jump through whatever hoops they demanded or your progression hit a brick wall. I run my own teeny tiny guild. My guys know they are free to go elsewhere and I actively encourage them to do so if they feel the very little we do isn’t enough for their progression needs. I pay out of my own pocket to keep the gold stocked and repairs on full time and they all contribute and we got a guild bank stocked with all the necessary consumables. I practice what I preach.
Nah, you don’t have to do any of that. If people enjoy the guild they will stay with the guild. All guild masters have to do is be fair to all their members, set reasonable expectations with scheduled events, and do the content they are offering to do. Paying for repairs and consumables is no easy first option unless the guild has a sure fire way to make gold. Depending on the guild they would sell guild runs for that purpose once the raid was on farm.
This, right here…facts. There are so many bad guilds out there that people are burned out on trying guilds. They would rather stay guildless, in their own private guild, or in a dead guild than try and find a new one. I all want are incentives to get people out there to give guilds another try. People really don’t need guilds but community can be a powerful motivator. Be it getting better at your spec, logging in to hang out, or trying something new in game.
Nay, I heard it was basically useless. Blizz could stand to fix that a bit.
In the past I would go make a post on the guild recruitment forums and hope for a bite, but those almost always involved transferring servers and/or factions which I simply can’t afford these days.
I have no intention of leaving Moon Guard Alliance. Server forums as a whole are pretty dead too these days. Dunno what else I can do.
Couple with this post I made last night on another thread too, and right now I’m honestly just wondering if I have a place in this game anymore.
Worked for me on both horde and alliance. Maybe give it a shot yourself rather than listen to naysayers.
I mean I can see why people say that. A lot of defunct and 1man guilds are listed on there. So much garbage to sift through before you are maybe able to find a guild listing that’s active but might not even get responded to.
There has to be a better way.
The discord works well for raiding guilds, not sure about more social ones.