I lost brain cells that was so stupid It actually damaged my brain. when you pull from a website you do not have to maintain a connection to said site to keep it open. here lets demonstrate this open up a web page then turn off your wifi or router surprise surprise it wont blank out your web page its only when you request and update to the date ie clicking a link or re downloading the page that it will fail. you can watch full movies from the cloud along as they have fully loaded up. i used to do this trick alot to freak people out by watching a movie from the cloud without actually downloading it on my tablet. ie how are you watching starwars we are on the turnpike dude
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Except for the last time, in Blizzards case because they offer regionalized servers… cannot utilize MOST Of the AWS “DDOS” Shield serviceability with out horrendously screwing latency … So your West coast server, could only live within the west coast group so if all the pipes to that group got hit… You still have the exact same problem. When I worked at Microsoft we shared a data center with Blizzard… Who had more capacity than Microsoft did at the time (And Microsoft had 4 x 15GB pipes)
It’s cool you have a hard on for AWS, I’m a Certified Solutions Architect, my work uses AWS for our Applications… What your suggesting, AWS would build a custom solution for… which they’d do for about 5x the cost of what Blizzard has invested in each data center (and would pretty much be the exact same thing Blizzard has… They didn’t just hire some random basement nerds who don’t know how to build to scale)
And @Wildly, while data is data… The latency needed to access and relay that data matters… a lot, wow’s legacy client was a lot less sensitive and could deal with 100-300ms of latency and still be playable… Now days, thats not nearly the case
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Ah, glad to see these are still on the menu, boys.
So you spent 5 minutes on google and think you have a better grasp of the situation than Blizzard does?
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HTTP/HTTPS is still TCP you mindless dolt. Jesus christ dude.
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There’s literally nothing of substance in your OP to address
You can’t even get the basic jargon correct - it’s like trying to explain something about adulthood to a child when they don’t like something about it.
Putting your infrastructure on AWS/GCS/Azure in no way makes you immune to these kinds of attacks. Nobody even knows the specifics about what kind of attack this was, or which layer it occurred at.
I have worked on the server architecture (on AWS no less) for a MMORPG for around 2 years, I currently work for a leading provider for network / cloud related services. I have no reason to try and explain why you’re wrong, but to give you a point of reference to start your real research - I would tell you to look into DDoS methods in regards to the OSI model and how those are mitigated.
You’ll find how little the cloud provider can do in the face of a determined attacker - they can merely mitigate it. They won’t ever stop a determined DDoS.
By the way - Twitch was hit too… Guess who owns them…
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I don’t see how all of those pipes could be hit to the point it would cause the downtime we saw over the previous days. I think the difference in all of this stems from the post from earlier where Blizzard stated they have around 70 people managing these data centers. I’m willing to put money down that AWS has more than that sitting on their DDOS Response Team alone.
Also, I’m SA/Dev certified so nice man.
It sounds a lot like you don’t understand how the attack works. DDOS attacks would absolutely not be a global problem if they were this easy to deal with. Don’t fall for sales brochures.
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Everything outside of their content delivery is AWS. I don’t even know why you posted this. I stated numerous times “When is the last time NETFLIX was down”. Not “When was the last time your content crapped out”. Literally a strawman.
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Ignoring the fact that most game providers don’t even have decent data centers for those regions and US West isn’t locked to only operating in California.
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I suggest you go back to being landlocked in legacy servers. Just sounds like a salty sysadm that lost his job due to the cloud. “Hurrr durrr, these damn millenials.exe”
On top of this, hosting your stuff on third party cloud services is reckless when dealing with an MMORPG of WoW’s magnitude. When AWS goes down (which it does, all the god damn time, we host our web servers on AWS at my company), you go down.
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Certain data centers, ISPs, power grids, etc go down. It just means your design isn’t fault tolerant or reliable. That’s on you and not AWS. They provide you with every means to prevent downtime even if their services go down in certain AZs.
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None of this eliminates the single point of failure. There’s always an external address or an ISP. None of these solutions eliminate this problem.
This is why DDOS is still such a problem. If this were easy to solve, we wouldn’t have this problem.
ITT people who have no idea what a sysadmin is.
/drumbeat
Very nice.
/sharespopcorn
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Yeah, Blizzard, move classic servers to Freenet or riot
Except no major provider has these issues if designed properly. Go look up “ddos” on google and filter by news. It’s all Classic WoW and bootleg Chinese sites. Wikipedia is one, but everyone knows they don’t have funding. You’re entirely bluffing if you think this is some major issue that plagues major companies. It’s not.
I think i’d suggest that you do the same. I’m not sure how else I can break this down for you.
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No one has broken anything down here. Literally no one in this thread has shown evidence that a production service behind AWS Advanced Shield has been hit off to the extent that Classic was over the previous days. Until then you haven’t broken anything down. This thread just reeks of IT folk who are afraid of losing their job.
