Blizzard. It's your ego. No, seriously. How can Your Paying Customers convince you?

i realize that your problems arnt my problems. and im not going to tip toe around the world out of fear of people being upset.

this is life. life comes with shocks. your better off learning to deal with and confront your problems instead of wallowing in them.

but its whatever bruv im an evil mean goblin.

still a better villian than sylvanas tho

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Sylvanas is both the entirety of the Forsaken race’s lore.

And also the big bad of the current expansion, right beside Zovaal the Thanos.

It’s like Blizzard forgot how to try. Oh, wait… The staff changed over? I guess no one taught them how to write a compelling villain.

Oh well, time for the players to foot the bill again. What is this, the fourth time now? Warlords, Legion, BFA, SL… Yeah, Blizzard sure found the story crayon, and seriously doesn’t get how to listen to the fans. Sad. It’s like there’s a confirmation bias built in now.

No company truly does.
It’s all just things to save face.
Some do it better than others.

Blizzard though is a weird one… they seem kinda clueless, apologize, send Ion to give a non-answer, repeat mistake, apologize, rinse and repeat.

I think we are at the 5th time now with 9.1.5 being them supposedly turning a new leaf per se and this is all within 5 years.

Jesus i need to proof read things i type.

Hey, aren’t you the jerk who picks on disabled people for no reason?

I feel you. Tbh one thing I’ve learnt is that if you let your worth be defined by others, then you’ll always feel like you’re not good enough.

It’s tough cause we’re all wired for connection and want to have that kind of support, but at the same time we gotto remind ourselves that every human (including ourselves) can be flawed, greedy, proud, jaded, spiteful, and most importantly, inconsistent. This is why you need to sit with yourself and decide if you think you’re enough for you.

I think there are days where I just feel like something is off or wrong about myself, but I think having that inner knowing that I still got me to back myself up helps me out.

paying customers don’t convince anyone anything. You’re still paying lol, why would they care about your input?

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You realise this argument is also used against people who have cancelled, right?

“You’re not paying for the game! Why should you get any say?”

It’s almost like… both arguments… can be used… to exclude the input of players…

So you prefer to do and say nothing giving them no input?

I’m sure that will work out for you.

“Pay? Why would they listen? They’ll just take your money and ignore you!”

“Don’t pay? why should they listen to you then?”

The clear problem then is that in both cases…

BLIZZARD CHOOSES TO NOT LISTEN.

I disagree completely. Maybe you’re in that special position where they will listen to you. But they have made it clear that they don’t listen to player feedback. And they aren’t interested in finding out what players want to pay for before developing it.

Nobody pushed Blizzard into making changes they wanted but Blizzard didn’t want to make.

Nobody demanded that old raids be made harder so players could no longer farm them as they always had.

Who was it again in the PvP community who insisted that rating-locked PvP gear was needed to remove all competition from PvP and turn elites into boost sellers and players into boost buyers? And I’ll point out here that devs in the past explained to players how rating-locked conquest gear was bad for the game, but it’s pretty clear that devs are doubling down on it in this expansion, even as the PvP playerbase craters.

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You keep repeating yourself and somehow imagining that if you say something enough people will think you don’t care. The opposite is true. The more you post on that subject, the clearer it is that it’s a pet topic of yours that you care one heck of a lot about.

those people aren’t very bright. the purpose of a product is to get people to buy it, the input of people not paying definitely matters more than a paying customers opinion.

This is a little something we can misinterpreting what people say. No of course not, giving feedback is great for eliminating bugs and everything else.

but in terms of the company’s design choices you aren’t going to convince them to change it. there is a reason why Ion heavily ignored people against covenants and wanted a ripcord. because they were still paying. Contrast this to WoD where flying was removed, people stopped paying and suddenly things happened.

Paying customers don’t convince anyone of anything.

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According to whom? Have you never heard of beta testers or content creators?

If a popular youtuber or streamer gives a game a bad review, a smart gaming company will sit up and listen.

there is a reason why Ion heavily ignored people against covenants and wanted a ripcord. because they were still paying. Contrast this to WoD where flying was removed, people stopped paying and suddenly things happened.

You are aware Ion wasn’t in charge of wod, right? Those were two entirely different teams headed by different game directors. Also, the game was already bleeding subs by the end of pandaria, long before the flying issue in WoD.

/popcorn this is entertaining

what about them? I’ve already acknoweldged that paying players are good for fixing problems. But they aren’t going to CONVINCE the developers of changing a design choice. Torghast still got added with plenty of gripes from those beta testers, covs still got added without a pulled ripcord.

Yes, I’m perfectly aware. Two different sentences. Keep up the pace.

Putting those two sentences beside each other implies connection. In which case, you’re comparing apples and oranges aka wrong.

Yes the connect is the correlation between what happens when people pay and what happens when they don’t. The thing about Ion is irrelevant. Like I said catch up.

Paying customers give money. Non paying ones don’t. Most companies don’t care about the opinions of non-paying customers excepting being interested in trying things to bring them in.

Keeping a paying customer however is very much something companies care about. Y’know because they pay them.

Truth is both options have merit. Paying customers should speak up about what they want changed so the company has room to move forward with what the customers actually want. Non-paying ones should also say why they’re leaving.

Non-paying ones who just don’t do anything no one will care about… obviously. They wont know why they left or why they stopped wanting to pay.

Be loud whichever option you pick.

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No. You don’t know what choices Ion would have made if he were in charge of wod. You cannot compare the two.

It’s not about catching up. I know exactly what you’re saying. You’re just wrong.