Blizzard isn't in it for the money

[Diandarla-moon-guard]

@Hezzlocks-khazgoroth

Just to add on to this: When Blizzard does something good that costs them money like that AND don’t go parading around like they are top dog for doing it.

Blizzard isn’t parading around with the changes, there is no list that Blizzard has issued. The only thing Blizzard has officially stated is why they are doing it, they are doing that because players were blowing up over it.

@Summonok-arugal

What an actual moron you are OP.

Thanks for the constructive conversation.

@Summonok-arugal

So you’re a hypocrite?

“Here in the LGBT community we hate oppressive, bigoted, totalitarian regimes! Unless of course they give us cheap stuff ”

As you are, given all the products in your home made in China.

@Eretloc-area-52

People complain about the quality of food at a resturant so the servers decide to remove paintings and switch to a more bland decor.

These changes weren’t just for the players, they were changes wanted by Blizzard staff. Don’t forget this is their game, we’re just paying guests.

@Summonok-arugal

You’re a moron

Hopefully you are actioned soon since you have an issue with constantly calling people morons.

@Valynx-moon-guard

Given how little regard Blizzard has for the forums over all

Do you blame them? This place is like an playground for angry toddlers.

@Onikaroshi-mankrik

It’s still the employees asking for the changes

This is what people are forgetting, they keep talking about how players didn’t ask for the changes… they’re right, the employees did.

[Hezzlocks-khazgoroth (Hezzlocks)]

@Diandarla-moon-guard

@Hezzlocks-khazgoroth

Just to add on to this: When Blizzard does something good that costs them money like that AND don’t go parading around like they are top dog for doing it.

Blizzard isn’t parading around with the changes, there is no list that Blizzard has issued. The only thing Blizzard has officially stated is why they are doing it, they are doing that because players were blowing up over it.

Give it time.

EDIT: Oh and I wouldn’t consider 90% of these changes they’ve been doing as a good thing worth praising anyway

[Eretloc-area-52]

@Diandarla-moon-guard

These changes weren’t just for the players, they were changes wanted by Blizzard staff. Don’t forget this is their game, we’re just paying guests.

You omitted that the people (not all) were complaining about the food quality (game play)… so they changed the decor (censoring quests)… the base problem is still there.

A rusted junk car with new paint is still a junk car.

[Diandarla-moon-guard]

@Eretloc-area-52

You omitted that the people (not all) were complaining about the food quality (game play)… so they changed the decor (censoring quests)… the base problem is still there.

The food isn’t bad enough to drive anyone here away, it must not be too bad.

[Eretloc-area-52]

I have zero doubt there has been a large drop in players from 9.0 to current.

[Diandarla-moon-guard]

@Hezzlocks-khazgoroth

EDIT: Oh and I wouldn’t consider 90% of these changes they’ve been doing as a good thing worth praising anyway

The changes weren’t made for you, so your opinion on whether or not they were good doesn’t matter. They were made for the employees, their opinion is what matters.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

So why is it like pulling teeth to get a change put in that players ask for?

Why is it taking til 9.1.5 to return Legion raid soloability back to pre SL squish levels?

Why is there such a “players vs devs” feel to their interactions?

We’re the ones who pay for the game, we’re the ones who keep the game running, not just them, most of them likely don’t even play, and it shows. Players and devs should be in a symbiotic relationship, it’s healthy for the game.

[Varassa-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Oh sure, they love the idea of working for no pay check. /S

[Diandarla-moon-guard]

@Onikaroshi-mankrik

So why is it like pulling teeth to get a change put in that players ask for?

This has nothing to do with players asking for changes, this has everything to do with Blizzard employees wanting changes.

@Onikaroshi-mankrik

We’re the ones who pay for the game, we’re the ones who keep the game running, not just them, most of them likely don’t even play, and it shows.

This is Blizzards game, we’re paying guests.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

@Diandarla-moon-guard

This is Blizzards game, we’re paying guests.

That’s the wrong way to look at it.

The game can’t exist without us, it also can’t exist without the devs creating it. It’s supposed to be a symbiotic relationship, healthy games are. Healthy games have healthy interactions with the playerbase.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Onikaroshi-mankrik

It’s still the employees asking for the changes, which was the whole the point of my post, somehow some random employee finds some of this stupid crap “problematic” and they waste their time there.

There is a difference between employees approaching their employees for change and employers asking employees to come up with changes so they look better is a lawsuit.

Which was the point of my post.

@Onikaroshi-mankrik

BTW, the lawsuit was mostly about unequal pay/promotion opportunities, the judges aren’t going to care that “I fart in the tub” was part of the game.

The lawsuit is based on accusation of sexism, racism and a toxic work environment and, while yes a judge is not going to care that “I fart in the tub” was part of the game, they are going to take into consideration a company changing their product as a demonstration that they are changing the company culture.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

The lawsuit is based on accusation of sexism, racism and a toxic work environment and, while yes a judge is not going to care that “I fart in the tub” was part of the game, they are going to take into consideration a company changing their product as a demonstration that they are changing the company culture.

If you read the actual lawsuit and see any of the lawyer analysis’, it’s an Equal pay and equal opportunities lawsuit with harassment tagged on. Their MAIN argument is about unequal pay and advancement.

[Tattersaile-hellscream (Tattersaile)]

Yeah they are so charitable they are right up there with Mother Theresa lmao Money pfft who in activision/blizzard wants that stuff !

[Diandarla-moon-guard]

@Onikaroshi-mankrik

That’s the wrong way to look at it.

The game can’t exist without us, it also can’t exist without the devs creating it.

Olive Garden can’t exist without customers either, as long as the food is good there will be customers there to keep the business open.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

And Olive garden tries to make sure that their customers are happy with their meal, and provide meals that the customer wants to eat.

They don’t actively belittle their customers, or worse, like blizzard often does. Blizzard does not have a good relationship with players.

[Diandarla-moon-guard]

@Onikaroshi-mankrik

And Olive garden tries to make sure that their customers are happy with their meal, and provide meals that the customer wants to eat.

So does Blizzard.

If hungry customers don’t like the food at Olive Garden they’ll go somewhere else, just like if players here don’t like the game they’ll… yeah.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

Ha, if you really believe that you haven’t seen interactions with players in the last 6 years or so.

They USED to be like that, back when they seemed to care.

WoW is in nearly a FFXIV 1.0 situation, there’s no communication, blizzard thinks THEY can do no wrong and they’re being arrogant about it.

[Kaemane-area-52]

Revenue is down, but profits are up. Driving micro transactions has been their corporate goal for years, it takes too much money to build a great product. Lower costs, increase revenue. Period. They have no soul, because corporations are not people.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

Some of the fixes to wow would be very cost effective, mostly “free”, but they’re too arrogant to do any of them, they’re too arrogant to admit they screwed up.

[Saninicus-hyjal (Saninicus)]

Just like lore admitted we were completely right about azerite before he deleted his post because it came off as completely unprofessional. By the way how does he still have a job still?